Navy one, pirates zero
Road Captain
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I agree about the money, it's more profitable to the shipping companies to take their chances. Until the ransom costs more than the protection they'll just run the gauntlet. I'm glad the American crew stood up to them and I'm happy the Seals got the chance to take 'em down a peg. Maybe they'll think twice next time.
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The 4th pirate did not get wacked because he was on the Navy ship conducting negotiations.
Bottom line...some people are supposed to be dead, they just don't know it
Bottom line...some people are supposed to be dead, they just don't know it
Last edited by panz4ever; Apr 12, 2009 at 09:42 PM. Reason: grammar
Road Warrior
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Ok here is why the cargo companies dont pay for security.
Its a matter of money and product. The pirates seize a ship and hold it ransom. The shipping companies have insurance on the ship and its cargo. The insurance pays out on the ship and cargo and now they get a new ship for relatively free because they have to pay their premiums anyway. The pirates demand a huge ransom for crew and ship. The shipping company is slow to pay so the pirates lower the cost to return the ship and crew. Eventually the shipping company pays off the pirates for a fraction of what the ship is worth and get their product and ship back. So in the end, the get 2 ships the cargo and money for the cargo they "lost". The have effectively increased the size of their fleet, made money 2 times on the cargo. They look at it as good business.
Its a matter of money and product. The pirates seize a ship and hold it ransom. The shipping companies have insurance on the ship and its cargo. The insurance pays out on the ship and cargo and now they get a new ship for relatively free because they have to pay their premiums anyway. The pirates demand a huge ransom for crew and ship. The shipping company is slow to pay so the pirates lower the cost to return the ship and crew. Eventually the shipping company pays off the pirates for a fraction of what the ship is worth and get their product and ship back. So in the end, the get 2 ships the cargo and money for the cargo they "lost". The have effectively increased the size of their fleet, made money 2 times on the cargo. They look at it as good business.
Tourer
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Ok here is why the cargo companies dont pay for security.
Its a matter of money and product. The pirates seize a ship and hold it ransom. The shipping companies have insurance on the ship and its cargo. The insurance pays out on the ship and cargo and now they get a new ship for relatively free because they have to pay their premiums anyway. The pirates demand a huge ransom for crew and ship. The shipping company is slow to pay so the pirates lower the cost to return the ship and crew. Eventually the shipping company pays off the pirates for a fraction of what the ship is worth and get their product and ship back. So in the end, the get 2 ships the cargo and money for the cargo they "lost". The have effectively increased the size of their fleet, made money 2 times on the cargo. They look at it as good business.
Its a matter of money and product. The pirates seize a ship and hold it ransom. The shipping companies have insurance on the ship and its cargo. The insurance pays out on the ship and cargo and now they get a new ship for relatively free because they have to pay their premiums anyway. The pirates demand a huge ransom for crew and ship. The shipping company is slow to pay so the pirates lower the cost to return the ship and crew. Eventually the shipping company pays off the pirates for a fraction of what the ship is worth and get their product and ship back. So in the end, the get 2 ships the cargo and money for the cargo they "lost". The have effectively increased the size of their fleet, made money 2 times on the cargo. They look at it as good business.
i am sorry, but thats just how i feel. capitalism is a great thing, but when money is more important than everything else, capitalism is as great a failure as communism.
do not even get me started on the fact that it is a national disgrace that a country as great as this cant supply every citizen with basic health care and DNA has exhonerated hundreds of people who rotted in jail for crimes they didnt commit.
this country is BROKEN!!!!!!!!! i love my country, but we have completely lost our way.
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i have to go on a rant here. i do not understand how or why these shipping companies, which have millions of dollars in cargo, are not able or willing to put a "security force" on these ships.
arm them with guns, rocket launchers, etc. these "pirates" are in little crappy boats that you wouldnt take out fishing. most of them are untrained locals and kids
stop playing games with them. if they attack, SHOOT THE PIRATES!
it doesnt make sense to me that you couldnt put some medium weapons on the deck of a super tanker. i dont understand why you cant have a half dozen "security experts" with keys to a munitions locker that could easily blow these scumbags out of the water with little or no effort.
am i missing something?
arm them with guns, rocket launchers, etc. these "pirates" are in little crappy boats that you wouldnt take out fishing. most of them are untrained locals and kids
stop playing games with them. if they attack, SHOOT THE PIRATES!
it doesnt make sense to me that you couldnt put some medium weapons on the deck of a super tanker. i dont understand why you cant have a half dozen "security experts" with keys to a munitions locker that could easily blow these scumbags out of the water with little or no effort.
am i missing something?
Ok here is why the cargo companies dont pay for security.
Its a matter of money and product. The pirates seize a ship and hold it ransom. The shipping companies have insurance on the ship and its cargo. The insurance pays out on the ship and cargo and now they get a new ship for relatively free because they have to pay their premiums anyway. The pirates demand a huge ransom for crew and ship. The shipping company is slow to pay so the pirates lower the cost to return the ship and crew. Eventually the shipping company pays off the pirates for a fraction of what the ship is worth and get their product and ship back. So in the end, the get 2 ships the cargo and money for the cargo they "lost". The have effectively increased the size of their fleet, made money 2 times on the cargo. They look at it as good business.
Its a matter of money and product. The pirates seize a ship and hold it ransom. The shipping companies have insurance on the ship and its cargo. The insurance pays out on the ship and cargo and now they get a new ship for relatively free because they have to pay their premiums anyway. The pirates demand a huge ransom for crew and ship. The shipping company is slow to pay so the pirates lower the cost to return the ship and crew. Eventually the shipping company pays off the pirates for a fraction of what the ship is worth and get their product and ship back. So in the end, the get 2 ships the cargo and money for the cargo they "lost". The have effectively increased the size of their fleet, made money 2 times on the cargo. They look at it as good business.
Tourer
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piracy isnt something new. it was all but stopped 200 years ago. its time to go out on the prowl
to be honest, maybe its time to go in to somalia and start fighting back. this is a country we have had problems with before. we need to stop trying to change govornments and stop trying to fix countries.
blow the hell out of them and let THEM pick up the pieces. we didnt start this fight. but we can damn sure end it