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Old Jul 31, 2009 | 06:05 AM
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By JOSHUA WOLFSON
Star-Tribune staff writer
Thursday, July 30, 2009 12:30 PM MDT

Police arrested two Casper Harley Davidson workers Tuesday following an incident that began when an officer stopped six Hells Angels outside the dealership.

In a report on the incident, the officer stated Frank Hardman and John McClelland put police in danger by interfering with them during the traffic stop.

"To confront a police officer while he is dealing with six fairly uncooperative Hells Angels is unthinkable," Officer Joe Moody wrote in an affidavit describing the incident.

Both men have pleaded not guilty to charges stemming from the arrest and their attorney, Dallas Laird, said they are good people who don't have a problem with police.

"They are both nice guys and the case will get resolved," Laird said. "They both respect the police."

The incident began Tuesday morning when Moody responded to a report of six motorcyclists running red lights through Casper. The bikers had Hells Angels patches on their backs, according to Moody's affidavit.

Moody followed the men to the Harley Davidson dealership. He described the men as verbally abusive and antagonistic toward him.

As the officer spoke with the bikers, Hardman, 52, and McClelland, 46, came out of the dealership and told them to move their motorcycles, according to Moody's affidavit. The group's leader allegedly replied they would wait until "Barney Fife finished his investigation."

Moody's affidavit states he was talking to dispatch on his radio when McClelland and Hardman approached him, and Hardman angrily told him he wanted the officer to move. The officer said Hardman refused to leave, and McClelland began to shout at him, as well.

"Officer Moody quickly found himself in a dangerous situation that was getting worse," he wrote in the affidavit, explaining that he was no longer able to focus on the Hells Angels.

At that point, Moody grabbed Hardman's wrist and ordered him to put his hands behind his back. The officer said Hardman pulled away, and when Moody grabbed the wrist again, McClelland allegedly grabbed his arm.

A sheriff's deputy who was also on scene grabbed McClelland's arm and pushed him into a van, according to the deputy's affidavit. McClelland allegedly spun around and punched the deputy in the face.

Moody then used his taser on McClelland, who went to the ground, where he was handcuffed. Hardman was also arrested.

McClelland faces charges of assault and batter and interference. Hardman is charged with interference.

Laird filed a motion in Natrona County Circuit Court on Wednesday seeking to dismiss Hardman's charges. Hardman did nothing to interfere with the traffic stop and merely made a reasonable request for the police to move their cars so customers could enter and exit the dealership, the attorney wrote.

Laird said his clients are not associated with the Hells Angels.

Without commenting on the facts of the case, Laird said many people generally don't know how to interact with police while officers are performing an investigation.

"It's not their intent to interfere," he said.

Laird said some witnesses might have filmed parts of the incident, but he hasn't seen any video yet.

The Hells Angels, meanwhile, were warned against running red lights and released.
 
Old Jul 31, 2009 | 06:14 AM
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Nothing strange. A group of overanxious boys from the local club wanted to see the new 2010's. When they got there, the dealership intantly recognized that their current rides were (gasp!)....USED! Can't have any of that!

"Gentlemen, gentlemen! Kindly remove that...that...JUNK from in front of our Emporium!"

...at which point the club's Pledge Committee Chairman indicated that they were helping out a local law enforcement representative.

...at which point the dealership's sales manager fled to Argentina and the service department insisted on changing the officer's oil at their standard rate....

...at which point the cops tasered the service manager.

Sounds normal to me.
 
Old Jul 31, 2009 | 06:23 AM
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My thoughts have always been to not get in the middle of a police investigation unless you want to become part of it. Maybe the story is written from a one sided perspective but either way, the two HD guys should have stayed out of it IMHO.
 
Old Jul 31, 2009 | 06:54 AM
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Maybe the two loud mouths were looking to prospect,by trying to impress the HA
 
Old Jul 31, 2009 | 07:10 AM
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He's lucky he got off with just a taze. Back in the day he would've had his head cracked with a billy club. Police are a much kinder and gentler lot now.
 
Old Jul 31, 2009 | 07:23 AM
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Let me get this straight. The HA's were just sitting in front of the dealership talking to the Police. 2 guys from within the dealership come out and give the cop trouble. They end up getting tazed and arrested. The HA's are told to stop running lights.

What dumb$%^

A cop pulled over a buddy of mine who was following me. The cop came up to his window and started talking to him. I got out of my car and started to walk towards him. The cop said "get back in your car". I got back in my car and waiting patiently
 
Old Jul 31, 2009 | 07:31 AM
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If the cops did indeed park in such a way as to block access to the store, then they were at fault. Just because you get your check from the city doesn't mean you have the right to park wherever you feel like (believe it or not). Also sounds like they were a little over sensitive and handcuff-happy, which unfortunately is a common trait among police officers.
 
Old Jul 31, 2009 | 07:35 AM
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Just think how calmly all of that would have gone down if the police had made the right decision to move the bikes out of the dealership's way.

The way those police officers overreacted makes me think they had little experience and couldn't make decisions under pressure - two things that should never mix with tazers.
 
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Originally Posted by russell6hp
If the cops did indeed park in such a way as to block access to the store, then they were at fault. Just because you get your check from the city doesn't mean you have the right to park wherever you feel like (believe it or not). Also sounds like they were a little over sensitive and handcuff-happy, which unfortunately is a common trait among police officers.
Now, generalized statements like this will cause a visit to the White House to have a beer with the president.
 
Old Jul 31, 2009 | 09:17 AM
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Uhh, lemme guess here. The LEOs were patched members of the IPMC. The service peeps were patched members of H.O.G.

What we have here, is CLEARLY a "territory scuffle", over the "F"ing parking lot!!!!! With the HA's, caught in the middle.
 



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