Xactly my point.

 

The information I got is, putting the back patch on is like saying you're part of a club. And, it just so happens that the PGR colors are the same as another local MC, though not the dominant MC in the area.

Patches, pins, etc are still fine to use at any time as long as they are on the front of the garments. But the back patch, and stickers on bikes/cars are what's being requested to be removed until this is settled.

These are the facts as explained to me. I won't speculate as to what the problem is. I just hope it gets resolved to everyone's satisfaction.

 

Being close to a state line where the dominant club is diffeerent in each state, we are very careful not to step on the toes of either club. When we began a Christian motorcycle group at church, we contacted both states CoC to sit and meet and tell them what we were about. We wear a patch but it's one piece and has been approved by both dominant clubs with their blessings. We often interact with both clubs at charity events and have nothing but respect for and respect from both. mainly because we play by their rules and keep our noses out of their business. WE don't wear support gear from either club nor do we share any info on one club with the other. in other words we mind our business and play by their rules. We have sen what happens when you try to go where you are not invited. It isn't pretty. one poster said they don't have the power or authority to enforce their rules. man , is he wrong. Now with all this having been said, we have no issues with either club. If we have a charity event, we always give them advance notice. Many times they will contribute to the worthy cause.

i have no problem with this arrangement.

Bubba

 

I didn't elect the officials and this isnt even close to the right forum to have that discusion. Can we settle on the statement that "you agree you infringe on other peoples freedoms based on the laws that you subscribe to uphold."?

Thats turf....of the emotional type but turf none the less. The colors do not make the service you provided any better or any worse so why are you fighting so hard if not for "pride" or turf?

I am not saying you are wrong to be angry over it. I am simply asking if you really want the type of war that could brew from this? You may be LEO...but I would bet a lot of people who ride with PGR haven't a clue to the level of danger these disputes can escalate to...let alone be willing to participate because some jerkoff kept running his mouth on the internet.

You wouldnt even begin to understand the battle from your side of the fence. I am not going to talk **** on some internet forum, but you should avoid presuming anyting.



~DT

 

This argument has grown old and turned into the usual MC/Cop bashing. You're all welcome to check my posts (all of them) and you'll see I've always stayed away from the MC bashing since I've never had a problem with them. This one time I chose to enter the fray because I believe it's wrong for one group to claim an area and force their rules on others (especially a patriotic group like the PGR) when they don't have the right or the authority. That's my belief and that's what I'll stick with, I'm done with the arguing.

 

Bart,

With all do respect, you know that our mission is not one of patches. Feel free to fight for your right to wear whatever the heck you want, but do not represent the PGR doing so. Fight for a (PGR) patch that was not earned against 1%'ers that earned their patches is not a good idea IMO, but if that is what you want to do, do so as an individual. Just remember, the mission at hand is to honor our fallen heroes and that does not include getting involved with MC politics nor patches. The OK PGR apparently had an agreement with the CoC. A few OK PGR members with your attitude is probably what put them in this position with the OK CoC to begin with.

 

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Well said.

 

I just read through this and my thoughts are that it is amazing that so many on this forum do not realize how many (the vast majority) freedom loving people in this country do not give a rats azz what rules motorcycle clubs have, but go about their lives wearing whatever color, riding whatever motorcycle, and travelling through whatever state they want, however they want.

This whole subject reminds me of a disagreement at a girls elementary school. Why members of the legitimate law enforcement community would even enter this discussion beats me.

The fact that the PGR would become a part of the COC diminishes the PGR in my eyes. I have nothing against the COC, in fact I support their efforts to influence legislation that is a threat to all of us. But if the PGR thinks of themselves as a club and agreed to terms controlled by the COC, which is, if not controlled, at least dominated by MCs then shame on the PGR. I admire their original mission but it seems to me that they have strayed into something that they are not.

I have owned Harleys since the early 1970s and I never signed an agreement that I would only dress a certain way while riding. Having said that, out of respect I will not wear a military service uniform if I am not a member, nor a police officers' uniform if not a member, nor will I wear an article of clothing identifying myself as a member of any club or organization of which I am not a member. However, this would not prevent me from wearing a vest or jacket with a three piece patch that does not reflect club membership. I don't do it because I don't want to. I may have seen a kid with a jean jacket with a three piece FFA patch.

Posters here that think we are in deadly danger from motorcycle clubs or think these clubs are so special because members have to "earn" their patch must not realize that we are living in a civilized society. Do you honor the Mafia because the members "made their bones"?

I have lived around and rode around "motorcycle clubs" for the last forty years and my experience has been that their rules apply to them and by agreement to other clubs. They really don't give that much of a chit about everybody else.

If the PGR chose to join this culture, and apparently they did, then shame on them and they should live by their choice.

 

Good post.