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E85 Fuel
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From: SOCAL
E85 Fuel
Does any one know if you can convert your HD to run off E85? At only 1.05 per gallon here in socal it would help out alot. How would you like to see your HD run off of 105 Octane....Just think of the horse power, yeah baby yeah!!!
Here is a website for it:
http://www.e85fuel.com
Here is a website for it:
http://www.e85fuel.com
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RE: E85 Fuel
If you can find E85 at 1.05 that's a heck of a deal....
The website you pointed to said the average price for California was 2.92. (There are no stations anywhere near me).
I played with thier cost estimator and though the octain is 105 you actually get less MPG. I compared a couple of vehicles and at 2.92 a gallon it wouild cost more to run E85 per year on average.....
Not sure it is worth the cost.....that has been the problem with many alternative powered vehicles...the cost benefit outwieghs the benefit you reep for driving it. Even Hybrids, beyond thier inital extra cost, can be expensive when you finally have to change those batteries.....
Think I'll wait til they decide what they want to standardize on....
The website you pointed to said the average price for California was 2.92. (There are no stations anywhere near me).
I played with thier cost estimator and though the octain is 105 you actually get less MPG. I compared a couple of vehicles and at 2.92 a gallon it wouild cost more to run E85 per year on average.....
Not sure it is worth the cost.....that has been the problem with many alternative powered vehicles...the cost benefit outwieghs the benefit you reep for driving it. Even Hybrids, beyond thier inital extra cost, can be expensive when you finally have to change those batteries.....
Think I'll wait til they decide what they want to standardize on....
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RE: E85 Fuel
Replace some parts in the fuel system, and then it is just a question of whether the SERT can run a rich enough map to push the increase in fuel.
And as long as E85 was more than 20-30% cheaper than 93 it would pay for itself. People running Hendersons have been getting 28-36 on E85, and I got 33-42 on mine (gas).
...and you can bump up the compression on your ride w/E85. It has a faaar better octane rating than 93 gas.
And as long as E85 was more than 20-30% cheaper than 93 it would pay for itself. People running Hendersons have been getting 28-36 on E85, and I got 33-42 on mine (gas).
...and you can bump up the compression on your ride w/E85. It has a faaar better octane rating than 93 gas.
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RE: E85 Fuel
E85 will get cheaper the more produced. Right now there is very little ethanol produced (above the stuff blended into the nationwide gasohol). Great thing is you can distill yer own if you have land. Mix w/15% (cleaned) gas, and you have E85.
And the tech is there to convert cellulosic (plant waste) into ethanol, which is cheaper than the grain produced booze too.
Good thing about converting a vehicle is you can switch between E85 and gas. Just update the ECM (or have one that auto-adjusts like cars/trucks), and away you go.
And the tech is there to convert cellulosic (plant waste) into ethanol, which is cheaper than the grain produced booze too.
Good thing about converting a vehicle is you can switch between E85 and gas. Just update the ECM (or have one that auto-adjusts like cars/trucks), and away you go.
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RE: E85 Fuel
will be interesting to see if a company like dynojet starts producing maps to let people convert to E85.
I think E85 is expensive right now just because they do not have the install base. And I think they are not going to get the install base unless the goverment pushes it... Right now the Oil Companies have too much pull and they can really try to keep E85 down.
Man... If I could run biodiesel in the bike I would give it a shot... I am all about home-made fuel. =) Problem with that is you'll start hearing about people robbing McD's for the fry oil. =)
I think E85 is expensive right now just because they do not have the install base. And I think they are not going to get the install base unless the goverment pushes it... Right now the Oil Companies have too much pull and they can really try to keep E85 down.
Man... If I could run biodiesel in the bike I would give it a shot... I am all about home-made fuel. =) Problem with that is you'll start hearing about people robbing McD's for the fry oil. =)
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RE: E85 Fuel
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will be interesting to see if a company like dynojet starts producing maps to let people convert to E85.
I think E85 is expensive right now just because they do not have the install base. And I think they are not going to get the install base unless the goverment pushes it... Right now the Oil Companies have too much pull and they can really try to keep E85 down.
Man... If I could run biodiesel in the bike I would give it a shot... I am all about home-made fuel. =) Problem with that is you'll start hearing about people robbing McD's for the fry oil. =)
will be interesting to see if a company like dynojet starts producing maps to let people convert to E85.
I think E85 is expensive right now just because they do not have the install base. And I think they are not going to get the install base unless the goverment pushes it... Right now the Oil Companies have too much pull and they can really try to keep E85 down.
Man... If I could run biodiesel in the bike I would give it a shot... I am all about home-made fuel. =) Problem with that is you'll start hearing about people robbing McD's for the fry oil. =)
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RE: E85 Fuel
I'll post my experience here...
I live in Brazil, where we have either gasoline (with some percentage of ethanol on it) and also we have Ethanol as a fuel option.
On motorcycles there's nothing available to this moment...but on the automotive industry we have.
A large percentage of the country's fleet runs both fuels in the same tank in any mixture desired...a system called flex-fuel.
you can choose to fill it up all with ethanol, all with gasoline or any mix of both.
The cars when running on ethanol produces more power even though the fuel goes down the drain...the cars cosumes a lot of fuel...and in adition..one should not forget that Ethanol evaporates.
In a not so distant past we had cars ethanol-only....the main problem of 'em were the cold start (at the time - in the 80's - there were few models with fuel injection) also the rubber parts such as gaskets get deteriorated very fast.
Today the cars have a gasoline pump in the engine (which does the function of the choke) and a very efficient fuel injection system.
I live in Brazil, where we have either gasoline (with some percentage of ethanol on it) and also we have Ethanol as a fuel option.
On motorcycles there's nothing available to this moment...but on the automotive industry we have.
A large percentage of the country's fleet runs both fuels in the same tank in any mixture desired...a system called flex-fuel.
you can choose to fill it up all with ethanol, all with gasoline or any mix of both.
The cars when running on ethanol produces more power even though the fuel goes down the drain...the cars cosumes a lot of fuel...and in adition..one should not forget that Ethanol evaporates.
In a not so distant past we had cars ethanol-only....the main problem of 'em were the cold start (at the time - in the 80's - there were few models with fuel injection) also the rubber parts such as gaskets get deteriorated very fast.
Today the cars have a gasoline pump in the engine (which does the function of the choke) and a very efficient fuel injection system.
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RE: E85 Fuel
I am right now watching a CNN Special about Brazil and its use of Ethenol. The program said that Brazil will in the very near future be completely free of exported oil. Brazil is already at 40% usage of Ethinol in their vehicles made from sugar cane.
It's just a matter of time before we start to see a lot more of it here in the US. There are a few manufacturers of Ethinol here using corn and maybe other renewable resources. They were even talking about using hay.
I wonder if Harley is doing any R&D right now on a E85 engine?
It's just a matter of time before we start to see a lot more of it here in the US. There are a few manufacturers of Ethinol here using corn and maybe other renewable resources. They were even talking about using hay.
I wonder if Harley is doing any R&D right now on a E85 engine?