New study into motorcycle gear by Australian University
Stellar HDF Member
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From: Aussie lost in Switzerland
While i whole heartedly support this kind of research, my concern is that the results will be used by Insurance companies to hike premiums unless your wearing gear XYZ manufacted to bullsh1t government safety standard ABC...
Notice the study was Funded by an Insurance Co? and no, i dont believe the Ins Co are concerned about our well being and safety, at least not in the terms we'd like to think they should be.
Wont be too long before you have to be wearing DayGlo all over to get a reasonable Insurance premium.
Yeah I know it sounds pessimistic, and yet another "choice" taken away unless your willing to financially compromise in order to retain the choice, but tell me this isnt going to impact in some way what you pay for Insurance?
I can understand and accept that Rider Training is "rewarded" with lesser premiums, (after they were hiked), but in todays world of institutional greed, you see premiums being hiked based on any old reason. Yes, protective gear is a good to have, but it IS a choice to have it, and wether or not it is more or less protective than other gear shouldnt be treated as a principle factor in determining Ins premiums, but it will be.....
Fair enough that the Ins Co is accepting your risk and they want to mitigate the risk as much as possible, but we're already paying them to accept the risk, and continually adding conditional terms to the policy just so the Ins Co can wash thier hands of the risk you pay for them to assume is just plain greedy...
rant done, sorry, I hate greed in all forms and Insurance companies are the penultimate of greed....but they are a necessary evil, unfortunately, and I can see the results of a worthwhile and informative study being used in all the wrong ways.
Notice the study was Funded by an Insurance Co? and no, i dont believe the Ins Co are concerned about our well being and safety, at least not in the terms we'd like to think they should be.
Wont be too long before you have to be wearing DayGlo all over to get a reasonable Insurance premium.
Yeah I know it sounds pessimistic, and yet another "choice" taken away unless your willing to financially compromise in order to retain the choice, but tell me this isnt going to impact in some way what you pay for Insurance?
I can understand and accept that Rider Training is "rewarded" with lesser premiums, (after they were hiked), but in todays world of institutional greed, you see premiums being hiked based on any old reason. Yes, protective gear is a good to have, but it IS a choice to have it, and wether or not it is more or less protective than other gear shouldnt be treated as a principle factor in determining Ins premiums, but it will be.....
Fair enough that the Ins Co is accepting your risk and they want to mitigate the risk as much as possible, but we're already paying them to accept the risk, and continually adding conditional terms to the policy just so the Ins Co can wash thier hands of the risk you pay for them to assume is just plain greedy...
rant done, sorry, I hate greed in all forms and Insurance companies are the penultimate of greed....but they are a necessary evil, unfortunately, and I can see the results of a worthwhile and informative study being used in all the wrong ways.
Cruiser
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From: Rocket City, AL
I'm actually a bit disappointed in the study. Was hoping to see if there was any objective analysis of which material was better (leather [cow/buffalo/kangaroo], cordura, kevlar, or blend). Have been looking for this for a few weeks now and everyone keeps going back to the Cycle mag study from 1988. Hell, I remember reading that when it first came out and I was a senior in High School.
There has got to be something more recent out there, especially in light of the newer materials!
There has got to be something more recent out there, especially in light of the newer materials!
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From: Potsdam, NY
I'm actually a bit disappointed in the study. Was hoping to see if there was any objective analysis of which material was better (leather [cow/buffalo/kangaroo], cordura, kevlar, or blend). Have been looking for this for a few weeks now and everyone keeps going back to the Cycle mag study from 1988. Hell, I remember reading that when it first came out and I was a senior in High School.
There has got to be something more recent out there, especially in light of the newer materials!
There has got to be something more recent out there, especially in light of the newer materials!
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From: Republic of Texas
Curious? Why were you not wearing gloves? I see this sometimes and I just put it down to inexperienced rider. Don't think of you as being inexperienced---.
I hit a deer and went down, I was wearing steel toed boots, jeans and a leather jacket. The toe of one boot got a hole down to the steel toe, the jacket got scuffed. Broke my collar bone and shoulder blade. Got nasty scrapes on my knees and the back of both hands. Chaps and just about any kind of gloves would have saved me several weeks of pain.
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From: Potsdam, NY
Listen to her summary at the end. She is not supporting a mandate at all. Just better quality standards as 25% of motorcycle gear failed in crashes. Also better consumer labeling as to the protective ability of the garment so people can make more informed choices.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NlovD...layer_embedded
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NlovD...layer_embedded
Last edited by fat_tony; Jun 29, 2011 at 05:29 PM.
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In a completely unrelated study, 200lb mammals were dropped on a giant, concrete belt sander at 70mph. Surprisingly, the empirical results clearly indicated that uncovered body parts, especially those with joints, were significantly abraded.
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