Screwed Around or Normal Practice
Road Warrior
Joined: Dec 2008
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From: París, TX
Sir, you are a victim. For six pages, you have been advised to get DMV, cops or a good lawyer involved. The more you drag your feet, the more it looks like you are getting something out of the helpless victim role. Like the spouse of an alcoholic (Up on Cripple Creek). Call the freakin' cops!
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From: on the road
the cops have no dog in this hunt at this time------------this is a civil matter because of dealer licensing laws that usually are policed by the peers in the industry not police unless court ordered
Last edited by 3408pete; Aug 28, 2012 at 07:21 PM.
Road Warrior
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From: SE Michigan
I don't know. Here the Secretary of State regulates titles, not any industry peers. If you got stopped on this bike with an iffy paper temp plate and no title work you would have a hell of a time with the cops. It would more than likly get impounded. Temp plate or good for 15 days and can't be renewed.
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I don't know. Here the Secretary of State regulates titles, not any industry peers. If you got stopped on this bike with an iffy paper temp plate and no title work you would have a hell of a time with the cops. It would more than likly get impounded. Temp plate or good for 15 days and can't be renewed.
around here you can renew up to 4 temporaries per year if dealer issued.Courthouse issued can't happen without a title in hand as of May in Ks.Ne and Co are each different with no maximum amount in Co as long as you have the cash to pay
Road Warrior
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From: Indiana
Civil matter. Police have no jurisdiction, you willing accepted the transaction and agreed to the terms to compensate for product and services rendered. The Attorney General or Secretary of your State has a process for dealing with these type of improprieties. Keep the bike in your possession and don't pile up the miles on it until this issue is resolved completely. I wonder if your were in an accident, if the insurance company would baulk at paying.
Good Luck. Legal advice from an attorney is your best course of action if dealer is unwilling to refund your money.
Good Luck. Legal advice from an attorney is your best course of action if dealer is unwilling to refund your money.
Road Captain
Joined: Jul 2012
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From: Houston
First, it would be a service to everyone to name the dealer so nobody else gets caught in any drama. Second, take everything you've been told so far with a grain (or maybe a gram, approx 15 grains) of salt. You are getting advice from a lot of folks who not only aren't lawyers but also don't play one on tv and many of whom haven't even stayed at a Holiday Inn Express.
In Texas, every legitimate dealer has every legitimate transaction include a limited power of attorney that allows the dealer to go to the DMV and execute titles as if they were the owner of the vehicle. They should have had you sign one and should have told you that is what you were signing. They should have one from the prior owner as well.
It sounds as if you have been fairly tolerant and less than enthusiastic in pursuing this because you believed they were taking care of things and would do right by you. There's nothing wrong with that at all for a while. Now it's to the point to get serious and emphatic in pursuing this.
Be professional and polite and document EVERYTHING from this point forward. Ignore and forget any advice to charge them for your fuel, meals, underwear, yoga classes or anything else. Your goal is to get the title resolved. If they can not or will not do it in a few business days I'd see about returning the bike for a full refund. The problem with that and a lot of the prior advice is their apparently precarious financial position. It sounds like they are one banana peel away from bankruptcy and closing and surrounded by primates eating and throwing banana peels everywhere. Good luck.
In Texas, every legitimate dealer has every legitimate transaction include a limited power of attorney that allows the dealer to go to the DMV and execute titles as if they were the owner of the vehicle. They should have had you sign one and should have told you that is what you were signing. They should have one from the prior owner as well.
It sounds as if you have been fairly tolerant and less than enthusiastic in pursuing this because you believed they were taking care of things and would do right by you. There's nothing wrong with that at all for a while. Now it's to the point to get serious and emphatic in pursuing this.
Be professional and polite and document EVERYTHING from this point forward. Ignore and forget any advice to charge them for your fuel, meals, underwear, yoga classes or anything else. Your goal is to get the title resolved. If they can not or will not do it in a few business days I'd see about returning the bike for a full refund. The problem with that and a lot of the prior advice is their apparently precarious financial position. It sounds like they are one banana peel away from bankruptcy and closing and surrounded by primates eating and throwing banana peels everywhere. Good luck.
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Road Warrior
Joined: Mar 2011
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From: SE Michigan
From the Michigan web site;
When you buy a new or used vehicle from a Michigan dealer, the dealer:
By law, the dealer must give you a copy of each document when you sign it. Never sign any blank documents or sign a document without reading it carefully. The dealer should give you:
When you buy a new or used vehicle from a Michigan dealer, the dealer:
- provides all necessary forms and ownership documents,
collects the necessary fees and taxes,
files the title application with a Secretary of State Branch Office within 15 days from the date of delivery,
purchases or transfers your license plate for you, and - provides copies of all paperwork.
By law, the dealer must give you a copy of each document when you sign it. Never sign any blank documents or sign a document without reading it carefully. The dealer should give you:
- a copy of the Application for Michigan Title - Statement of Vehicle Sale (RD-108).
a copy of any written warranty on the vehicle or any services purchased (such as rustproofing or extended service contract).
a copy of the odometer mileage statement, if buying a new vehicle.
a copy of the "Buyer's Guide" window sticker, if buying a used vehicle.
a new license plate and registration, or a 15-day temporary registration affixed to the rear window, and - a copy of the finance contract lease agreement.
