Expert Riders -- A Question??
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RE: Expert Riders -- A Question??
ORIGINAL: EasternSP
Well actually, to lay it down, ya first have to hit the rear brake real hard with kind of an intent to amplify the situation that could have been avoided with proper braking. When the rear tire starts screaming, ya just let yourself be immersed in the over whelming sound of it and the attention it attracts, sorta like loosing your temper and screaming at someone. As the rear of the bike starts to come around to one side or another, ya say to yourself, "Self, this is gonna look so cool, just like when I was a kid on my banana seat curb jumper". When ya start to realize, hey the rear of my bike is getting way to far to the side, you can either let off the rear brake and let the bike discharge ya like snot off the finger, or you can just freeze in a lack of what to do next and fall to the road behind the skid of the bike. Now you have successfully "Laid it down" in the most amatueristic way.
Splints, gauze, Ace wraps, etc. can all be purchased at your local drug store and can usually be packed and strapped to your front handle bars so you can grab them as you fly over. 8-)
Well actually, to lay it down, ya first have to hit the rear brake real hard with kind of an intent to amplify the situation that could have been avoided with proper braking. When the rear tire starts screaming, ya just let yourself be immersed in the over whelming sound of it and the attention it attracts, sorta like loosing your temper and screaming at someone. As the rear of the bike starts to come around to one side or another, ya say to yourself, "Self, this is gonna look so cool, just like when I was a kid on my banana seat curb jumper". When ya start to realize, hey the rear of my bike is getting way to far to the side, you can either let off the rear brake and let the bike discharge ya like snot off the finger, or you can just freeze in a lack of what to do next and fall to the road behind the skid of the bike. Now you have successfully "Laid it down" in the most amatueristic way.
Splints, gauze, Ace wraps, etc. can all be purchased at your local drug store and can usually be packed and strapped to your front handle bars so you can grab them as you fly over. 8-)
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RE: Expert Riders -- A Question??
ORIGINAL: Snobal
Your response was GREAT! I really enjoyed it.The part about releasing the rear brake while the rear wheel was locked was a hoot!
Thanks
ORIGINAL: EasternSP
I took your original post here as tongue in cheek or rhetorical so I responded in a rhetorical fashion. I thought my response was obviously ridiculous.
I took your original post here as tongue in cheek or rhetorical so I responded in a rhetorical fashion. I thought my response was obviously ridiculous.
Thanks
Ok so lets all go put armorall on our tires and practice the dismount slide and surf on top of the bike technique!
MY buddy did actually manage to lay his bike down and sit ontop of it once, kinda neat, its really surprising how far those crotch rockets slide even at 15 mph on thier side, lol[sm=alcoholic.gif]
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RE: Expert Riders -- A Question??
ORIGINAL: New2Harley
Don't forget to stare directly at the point on the vehicle that you most do NOT want to hit. That will insure that at least one sliding object (either you or your now freshly road rashed motorcycle) will impact directly upon that spot.
Don't forget to stare directly at the point on the vehicle that you most do NOT want to hit. That will insure that at least one sliding object (either you or your now freshly road rashed motorcycle) will impact directly upon that spot.
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RE: Expert Riders -- A Question??
an expert would be aware of up coming problems and be prepared in advace.
a wise man would ride roads like I do! lol
a scared man would ride out his dreams right here on the web!!
a wise man would ride roads like I do! lol
a scared man would ride out his dreams right here on the web!!
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RE: Expert Riders -- A Question??
Been tought by many experts. I've never sat in on the lesson that teaches me how to wreck my bike. Laying it down is wrecking your bike, no two ways about it. I know what laying it down is, seen it, heard all the victims of wrecks talk about how they had to "lay it down", that is a fancy way of saying I got in a wreck. Do you think if you are not alert enough to avoid the problems before they happen, you are going to be all of a sudden be an expert on trick bike riding? Do you ask yourself how to wreck your car? No, so why is it ok to wreck your bike? Like already mentioned, speed, rubber on the road, brakes, are all positive control devices, but wrecking your bike on purpose, that shouldn't be an option.
Keep the rubber side down
and the metal side up
Keep the rubber side down
and the metal side up
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RE: Expert Riders -- A Question??
One of the cool things about having been licensed a long time is that I get to learn everything I knew was wrong. 
Long ago "Laying it down" was known as an "Emergency Dismount" and I recall seeing footage of it being taught at police academies in Europe. As you'll gather from the replies, it's out of favor as a technique and it was never something an untrained person could hope to pull off. It involved intentionally throwing the bike into a skid, getting your low-side leg up and laying back, letting road friction seperate you from the bike. You'd slide it out on your back, letting your leather be your brake pad. (Nothing slides like leather.)
I don't think it was ever considered a winner in traffic. It was considered a win in cases where your bike might go off the road and down an embankment or if you were on a lonely stretch of road where you wouldn't get run over when you exited the bike.
Long ago "Laying it down" was known as an "Emergency Dismount" and I recall seeing footage of it being taught at police academies in Europe. As you'll gather from the replies, it's out of favor as a technique and it was never something an untrained person could hope to pull off. It involved intentionally throwing the bike into a skid, getting your low-side leg up and laying back, letting road friction seperate you from the bike. You'd slide it out on your back, letting your leather be your brake pad. (Nothing slides like leather.)
I don't think it was ever considered a winner in traffic. It was considered a win in cases where your bike might go off the road and down an embankment or if you were on a lonely stretch of road where you wouldn't get run over when you exited the bike.
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ORIGINAL: Splatter
One of the cool things about having been licensed a long time is that I get to learn everything I knew was wrong.
Long ago "Laying it down" was known as an "Emergency Dismount" and I recall seeing footage of it being taught at police academies in Europe. As you'll gather from the replies, it's out of favor as a technique and it was never something an untrained person could hope to pull off. It involved intentionally throwing the bike into a skid, getting your low-side leg up and laying back, letting road friction seperate you from the bike. You'd slide it out on your back, letting your leather be your brake pad. (Nothing slides like leather.)
I don't think it was ever considered a winner in traffic. It was considered a win in cases where your bike might go off the road and down an embankment or if you were on a lonely stretch of road where you wouldn't get run over when you exited the bike.
One of the cool things about having been licensed a long time is that I get to learn everything I knew was wrong.
Long ago "Laying it down" was known as an "Emergency Dismount" and I recall seeing footage of it being taught at police academies in Europe. As you'll gather from the replies, it's out of favor as a technique and it was never something an untrained person could hope to pull off. It involved intentionally throwing the bike into a skid, getting your low-side leg up and laying back, letting road friction seperate you from the bike. You'd slide it out on your back, letting your leather be your brake pad. (Nothing slides like leather.)
I don't think it was ever considered a winner in traffic. It was considered a win in cases where your bike might go off the road and down an embankment or if you were on a lonely stretch of road where you wouldn't get run over when you exited the bike.
I've never met anyonethat hadprofessional riding training that claimed to have "layed it down to avoid a crash."
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Been tought by many experts. I've never sat in on the lesson that teaches me how to wreck my bike. Laying it down is wrecking your bike, no two ways about it. I know what laying it down is, seen it, heard all the victims of wrecks talk about how they had to "lay it down", that is a fancy way of saying I got in a wreck. Do you think if you are not alert enough to avoid the problems before they happen, you are going to be all of a sudden be an expert on trick bike riding? Do you ask yourself how to wreck your car? No, so why is it ok to wreck your bike? Like already mentioned, speed, rubber on the road, brakes, are all positive control devices, but wrecking your bike on purpose, that shouldn't be an option.
Keep the rubber side down
and the metal side up
Been tought by many experts. I've never sat in on the lesson that teaches me how to wreck my bike. Laying it down is wrecking your bike, no two ways about it. I know what laying it down is, seen it, heard all the victims of wrecks talk about how they had to "lay it down", that is a fancy way of saying I got in a wreck. Do you think if you are not alert enough to avoid the problems before they happen, you are going to be all of a sudden be an expert on trick bike riding? Do you ask yourself how to wreck your car? No, so why is it ok to wreck your bike? Like already mentioned, speed, rubber on the road, brakes, are all positive control devices, but wrecking your bike on purpose, that shouldn't be an option.
Keep the rubber side down
and the metal side up