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From: Seattle
It's not about the spotted worms or owls or drowning polar bears or any of those other noble or cuddly-lookin' critters. I want my daughter and grandkids (if she gives me any) to be able to breathe the natural air on this planet. Besides, my Fat Bob has 110lbs torque, 103HP AND a catalytic converter. Anyone who can't figure this out is a sociopath or a dumbass. 8-P
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"The California exhaust emission standard is and always has been the same as the EPA standard (save for one year early implementation in 09) however California has a fuel evaporation standard which (at this point anyway) the EPA has not seen fit to require."
I respectfully disagree. California has had many emission standards over the years not in effect in the other 49 states. California had "smog pumps" on cars, for example, way back in the late sixties. I remember looking under the hood of a 67 SS Chevelle with California plates and wondering what the hell that extra belt driven thing was hanging off the motor.
Even lawn mowers in California are regulated.
There was quite a difference between CARB and EPA over the years. They do not become the same until
2016 and later.
"Due to its preexisting standards and particularly severe motor vehicle air pollution problems in the Los Angeles metropolitan area, the U.S. state of California has special dispensation from the federal government to promulgate its own automobile emissions standards. Other states may choose to follow either the national standard or the stricter California standards. States adopting the California standards include Arizona (2012 model year),[1] Connecticut, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, New Jersey, New Mexico (2011 model year), New York, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, Vermont, and Washington, as well as the District of Columbia.[2][3] Such states are frequently referred to as "CARB states" in automotive discussions because the regulations are defined by the California Air Resources Board.
The EPA has adopted the California emissions standards as a national standard by the 2016 model year[4] and is collaborating with California regulators on stricter national emissions standards for model years 2017–2025.[5]"
http://www.ask.com/wiki/United_State...sion_standards
I respectfully disagree. California has had many emission standards over the years not in effect in the other 49 states. California had "smog pumps" on cars, for example, way back in the late sixties. I remember looking under the hood of a 67 SS Chevelle with California plates and wondering what the hell that extra belt driven thing was hanging off the motor.
Even lawn mowers in California are regulated.
There was quite a difference between CARB and EPA over the years. They do not become the same until
2016 and later.
"Due to its preexisting standards and particularly severe motor vehicle air pollution problems in the Los Angeles metropolitan area, the U.S. state of California has special dispensation from the federal government to promulgate its own automobile emissions standards. Other states may choose to follow either the national standard or the stricter California standards. States adopting the California standards include Arizona (2012 model year),[1] Connecticut, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, New Jersey, New Mexico (2011 model year), New York, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, Vermont, and Washington, as well as the District of Columbia.[2][3] Such states are frequently referred to as "CARB states" in automotive discussions because the regulations are defined by the California Air Resources Board.
The EPA has adopted the California emissions standards as a national standard by the 2016 model year[4] and is collaborating with California regulators on stricter national emissions standards for model years 2017–2025.[5]"
http://www.ask.com/wiki/United_State...sion_standards
Last edited by MNPGRider; Apr 22, 2014 at 06:50 PM.
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I'll guess.
Like it or not, the smart money heeds PC issues these days and I'm betting HD is no different. If Commiefornia savers of the spotted bark worm want emissions down to "X" then not complying will earn you a leftist media blacklisting and the market consequences of it, (GM Hummer).
Like it or not, the smart money heeds PC issues these days and I'm betting HD is no different. If Commiefornia savers of the spotted bark worm want emissions down to "X" then not complying will earn you a leftist media blacklisting and the market consequences of it, (GM Hummer).
I'm in China at the moment. Been working here on and off for 3 years located in Shekou just across the strait from Hong Kong. No smog ! Singapore BTW is an international banking center and Free port and decidedly NOT communist.
Some BIG Chinese industrial cities are apparently smoggy but the entire country is certainly not blanketed. Verifying personal ideologies by watching CNN and other leftist harmonizers, will make a sucker out of you.
Some BIG Chinese industrial cities are apparently smoggy but the entire country is certainly not blanketed. Verifying personal ideologies by watching CNN and other leftist harmonizers, will make a sucker out of you.
California did not make motorcycle manufacturers meet emission standards nor did they peddle any influence. Motorcycle emission standards are the result of the Federal Clean Air Act of 1970 and the 1990 and 1997 amendments to said act.
The USEPA was created by the Clean Air Act of 1970, which (by the way) was signed into law by Conservative Republican, Richard Nixon.
The reason why Shekou does not have a smog issue the the same reason why Florida doesn't. It is a peninsula. Most states are required by the EPA to have bienniel smog check programs for autos but only in areas that don't meet the EPA air quality standard. Florida doesn't have to because of the geography. The air already meets that standard. In fact, nine counties in California don't have to participate in the program for the same reason.
Until recently, the people living in the EPA designated non-attainment areas in Arizona had to have their motorcycles smog checked. We've never had to do it in California.
This was not a choice that HD or any other manufacturer made. It was a requirement that they had to meet.
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From: Florida
Why not?
If you want to see what things look like without the EPA and emissions controls . . . just pay a visit to any major city in China . . . that bastion of freedom . . . There aren't any real emissions controls in Comunist China . . . go ahead . . . Google Beijing AirQuality or Singapore Air Quality. That's what communism and no emissions controls gets you.
You don't like it here? To many rules for ya? Maybe you'd prefer living somewhere else where they don't have such pesky annoying rules about clean air!
If you want to see what things look like without the EPA and emissions controls . . . just pay a visit to any major city in China . . . that bastion of freedom . . . There aren't any real emissions controls in Comunist China . . . go ahead . . . Google Beijing AirQuality or Singapore Air Quality. That's what communism and no emissions controls gets you.
You don't like it here? To many rules for ya? Maybe you'd prefer living somewhere else where they don't have such pesky annoying rules about clean air!
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"The California exhaust emission standard is and always has been the same as the EPA standard (save for one year early implementation in 09) however California has a fuel evaporation standard which (at this point anyway) the EPA has not seen fit to require."
I respectfully disagree. California has had many emission standards over the years not in effect in the other 49 states. California had "smog pumps" on cars, for example, way back in the late sixties. I remember looking under the hood of a 67 SS Chevelle with California plates and wondering what the hell that extra belt driven thing was hanging off the motor.
Even lawn mowers in California are regulated.
There was quite a difference between CARB and EPA over the years.
I respectfully disagree. California has had many emission standards over the years not in effect in the other 49 states. California had "smog pumps" on cars, for example, way back in the late sixties. I remember looking under the hood of a 67 SS Chevelle with California plates and wondering what the hell that extra belt driven thing was hanging off the motor.
Even lawn mowers in California are regulated.
There was quite a difference between CARB and EPA over the years.
California began requiring exhaust emission controls on domestic vehicles beginning with the 1966 model year. The other 49 states began in 1968. That 67 Chevelle was a four speed because the automatics (even in CA) didn't require them. California still has a slightly tighter CO standard on autos but that is because without it, CARB would lose their rule making authority and some of their out of control power would go with it.
My 69 black California plate 4 speed GTO Judge doesn't have a smog pump because Pontiac met the EPA and CA requirements by going to an open chamber head in 68.
But you are right about the fact that CA has standards for lawn and garden equipment and even off road motorcycles that other states don't have.
This is an area I worked in for 35 years.
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HD started putting Cats on beginning in 2010 to meet the USEPA Tier II motorcycle exhaust emission standards of .08 g/KM (Nox) and 12 g/km (CO).
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In Californiastan, those emission devices are often called Cadillac converters.
Ca even has emission control devices on gas cans. If you ever need to buy a gas can in crapifornia, smuggle a forbidden can in from another state.
I am a proud methane gas emitter in Ca.
Ca even has emission control devices on gas cans. If you ever need to buy a gas can in crapifornia, smuggle a forbidden can in from another state.
I am a proud methane gas emitter in Ca.
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From: SW Minnesota
All '06 Tour bikes have a cat in the right side muffler. All of them. It's stamped on the muffler and stated in the owner's manual.
When the new ECM was introduced across the line in '07, the newly added OX sensors regulated the exhaust enough that the cat was not needed in 49 state bikes.
Check a 2010 HD parts manual. You will find California mufflers and "49 state" mufflers all the way from '07 to '09.
Here's my '06 owner's manual and right side muffler off my Ultra....
