Team,

HD dealership has me over a barrel. My 2000 Road King Classic has finally taken a crap. I had HD pick the bike up and they went to work. First, they said it was the fuel pump (I recently bought a new one and replaced it... According to them, the new one I bought is bad). So they charged me $395 to replace the whole fuel pump system.

Then the called me today and said I need a whole new ECM. They're estimating the entire job will cost at least $1500.

Here's my concern; I have off-market highway pegs, a makeshift sissy bar, and they know I don't want to pay much. I'm worried they're inventing problems and overcharging me so I'll "sell" my non-running bike to them for $100, they'll fix everything for dirt cheap, then sell it for $8000 (the blue book retail value).

I'm currently planning on taking the bike elsewhere and having them do the repairs. Anyways, I just wanted to see the thoughts of the forum. Should it really cost $1500? I appreciate everyone's time!!

 

You need to add a signature on the forum control panel on the year model and letters of your bike. Is it a FI? Would appear the ECM is only $500. Not bad for the fuel pump. Did you replace it with a OEM?

http://partsfinder.onlinemicrofiche....G%AE-(EFI)-(FB)

 

Sorry for the lack of info; it's a 2000 Road King Classic FLHRCI. And with the pump, my only concern is that the one I bought from Amazon wasn't actually bad in the first place. Would they sell me a bad item? Maybe, but I doubt they'll reimburse me. And I can't imagine they Harley would acknowledge that they're charging me for work I didn't actually need.

 

Cost of the ECM is @$500.00 (HD part#32423-99) and takes about 10 minutes to change it out. Then it has to be programmed with a laptop for the bike and that shouldn't take more than 30 minutes. So, they would be charging you over $1k to do a job that should take less than an hour. Something smells........My guess is they don't really have a clue what the root problem is and they are giving you a shotgun price to cover their butts.
Carb conversion can be done for more or less the same price as the $600.00 it SHOULD cost to change out the ECM and hope that is what your problem actually is....Your choice. I chased mine with @$800.00 worth of parts before I cut my losses and changed it over to a carburetor.

 

Nuts. I looked into changing over to a carburetor, and many posts on this forum recommended against it. However, I'm aware that HD didn't really "get" fuel injection until about 2005. Maybe I'll make the switch. How labor intensive / costly was the switch? Did you do it yourself or have a dealership do it?

 

And I just reread your post and saw you said $600. My bad. But again, did you do it yourself or have it professionally done?

 

S&S makes areplacement for M&M ECM
https://www.hdforums.com/forum/touri...e-m-m-efi.html

Dave

 

I did it on my '98 myself. There are a lot of ways to skin this cat and I chose an S&S Super E ($329) Pingle Petcock ($109) Petcock Adapter for EFI Tank ($27) and an Ultima Single Fire Programable Ignition($160). Those are current prices on Amazon and that totals $625, prices have gone up a little since I did mine 3 years ago. The two most challenging parts of the conversion for me was cutting out the old lines inside the tank (big hands) and figuring out how much wiring could be safely eliminated (electrical skills of a Mennonite). A good experienced Harley wrench could easily do the conversion in a day.
I liked the EFI and until it took a dump, (firing on only one cylinder) it worked very well. When it got to the point that the codes weren't showing the actual problem and a very experienced tech I know at a dealership ran out of suggestions, I bit the bullet. 3 years and @25K miles of problem free riding with the peace of mind that I have a much simpler system to deal with, I feel it was a worthwhile investment for me.

 

My '00 FLTRSEI is still running well at 160,000 (Stage II from the factory,) and when the ECM finally goes I'll install the S&S replacement ECM designed for it.

Magnetti Marelli fuel injection is a long established brand still used in European machines from Ferrari to MotoGuzzi. The S&S ECM would be a no brainer to me.

 

Ha!! Not bad. Not trying to one-up you, but A fellow PGR member has a '96 Ultra Classic with over 300K on the original ECM. Several top end rebuilds and one lower end, but not a hiccup with the MM EFI. It was after visiting with him that made me decide to go ahead and buy my '98. Luck of the draw......
Yes, Magnetti Marelli makes some of the worlds best EFI systems, but apparently what they built for Harley wasn't quite world class. The S&S was what I replaced mine with, but in my case, the ECM wasn't the actual problem. The S&S ECM is a huge improvement over the OEM that it replaces and looked like a perfect upgrade.