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Old May 20, 2023 | 09:36 PM
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I put a set of VH Staggered Big Shots and a K and N high flow air filter on my 2009 FLSTCI. Runs great, no muddy accel, no backfires, etc. I noticed it's running hotter and I'm getting a little decel popping. Researched fixes. Likely the factory 14.7 AFR is too lean causing both problems. ViED and XiED will only correct to 14.0 at best ( might help the heat issue, might not). I'm considering FP3 (FP4 not compatible with 2009) but after reviewing the AFR charts (which dip into AFR 12-ish range). I'm wondering how can FP3 work with OEM narrow band O2 sensors which only srnse from 14 to 15. Is FP3 a scam? They say you don't have to have wideband sensors for FP3 but how can it work if the NB sensor only senses 14-15? Interested in your opinion, experience and some advice.
 
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Old May 21, 2023 | 07:10 AM
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Can't recommend power vision enough.the Auto tune feature is outstanding and will correct any AFR problems you have now and for future mods. Read all the FP3 problem threads there must be a hundred
 
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I believe anything less than 13.8 will be open loop
 
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Old May 21, 2023 | 09:58 AM
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Ok so closed loop switches to open loop at .976 lambda or 14.3 afr. What size sensors do you have in the bike. 2009 I believe are the larger sensors which have more range. But to tune it properly you need something like a power vision, tts or similar full range tuner. Give Fuel Moto a call, sticker shock on the PV3b. It used to be a lot less till all the shortages came about.
 
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Old May 21, 2023 | 11:33 AM
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PV4 is same price as FP3 now.
 
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I've got a FP3 on my 09 Night Train, and it works well enough but I'm going to buy another license and put my PV off my Street Glide on it. Buy once cry once with the PV.
 
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