MAP vs. elevation question
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RE: MAP vs. elevation question
ORIGINAL: christian0632
The guy was just looking for a little help. If that was the best and most intelligent thing you could come up with, maybe you shouldn't have even responded.
I have a PCIII on my 07 Ultra that works exceptionally well. I find it highly configurable and less complicated than other fuel management systems. It was also the most economical.
I guess my question would be, was the decrease in mpg drastic or slight? There are also other conditions that affect heat such as airflow when it is breezy or windy. Keep in mind that we never really take note (or closely observe environmental conditions) when our rides are running normal or cool, myself included. There will always be some variation in engine performance as the surrounding environment changes. I think we just have to tune to a happy medium.
Ditch the PCIII and get a real tuner box....Problems solved.
I have a PCIII on my 07 Ultra that works exceptionally well. I find it highly configurable and less complicated than other fuel management systems. It was also the most economical.
I guess my question would be, was the decrease in mpg drastic or slight? There are also other conditions that affect heat such as airflow when it is breezy or windy. Keep in mind that we never really take note (or closely observe environmental conditions) when our rides are running normal or cool, myself included. There will always be some variation in engine performance as the surrounding environment changes. I think we just have to tune to a happy medium.
I will give my opinion based on first hand knowledge with anything I have experience with. That includes failed PCIII`s with known heat related failures and loss of programming as well as electronic glitches. This is what I based my response on...Not on feelings and emotions because I have one and have neverhad problems so I am brand/product loyal.Why bash anyone/everyone that disagrees or makes statement to that differ. It`s great that you have had good luck with yours, but others here as well as myself have not.
So I would suggest youget over itand remember...We all have opinions and I would never tell or bash you, oranyone else that your opinion is wrong. Thanks for the bashing P.A.L.
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RE: MAP vs. elevation question
First things first. The thread starter stated:
drdiesel1 obviously is one and his 11 words or so, helpful or not in the end fall under the "any", so we can't bash him for that in and of itself.
As far as my bashing very early this morning, well, let's just say I probably shouldn't have ridden home but spent the night instead and rode home after sleeping it off a bit. In any event, it wasn't a personal attack as much as a friendly jab. The belly laugh was meant to convey that. I don't have a clue what "D/A" means.
Hey Doc, you've evidently had one or more bad experience with the PC-III, why don't you start a thread expounding upon that, or point us to one which already exists? The vast majority of us who run one have nothing but good to say of them (apart maybe from having to be sure to light the engine while the fuel pump is still running).
I wasn't intending to convey the notion that AFR doesn't affect engine temperature; what I'd thought I was saying was that since he was at a slightly higher elevation he would have been running slightly richer, thus his engine would be slightly cooler, so whatever the reason he was actually running warmer was something else. I then proposed a possible reason for the increased heat.
ORIGINAL: coolrays615
One for the experts here:
... Any replies are appreciated.
One for the experts here:
... Any replies are appreciated.
As far as my bashing very early this morning, well, let's just say I probably shouldn't have ridden home but spent the night instead and rode home after sleeping it off a bit. In any event, it wasn't a personal attack as much as a friendly jab. The belly laugh was meant to convey that. I don't have a clue what "D/A" means.
Hey Doc, you've evidently had one or more bad experience with the PC-III, why don't you start a thread expounding upon that, or point us to one which already exists? The vast majority of us who run one have nothing but good to say of them (apart maybe from having to be sure to light the engine while the fuel pump is still running).
ORIGINAL: XfasteddieX
the richer the afr the cooler the engine should run my flstc was way rich when i bought it temp at most 175 to 180 in the summer & i live in texas took it to the shop got it to a respectable 13.5 afr temp was back to normal 210 to230
ORIGINAL: glens
In any event, you'd have been running richer rather than leaner, so the engine temps have nothing to do with AFR. It's probably more to do with less dense / less humidity air being less able to carry heat away from the metal.
In any event, you'd have been running richer rather than leaner, so the engine temps have nothing to do with AFR. It's probably more to do with less dense / less humidity air being less able to carry heat away from the metal.
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RE: MAP vs. elevation question
Interesting. That's the first I've heard of that.
Search the forum and you'll find Tmax failures, SERT failures, PCIII failures, DTT failures, etc, etc.
At the same time you'll find people with Tmax failures biased against the Tmax, SERT failures bia
drdiesel1 obviously is one and his 11 words or so, helpful or not in the end fall under the "any", so we can't bash him for that in and of itself.
As far as my bashing very early this morning, well, let's just say I probably shouldn't have ridden home but spent the night instead and rode home after sleeping it off a bit. In any event, it wasn't a personal attack as much as a friendly jab. The belly laugh was meant to convey that. I don't have a clue what "D/A" means.
Hey Doc, you've evidently had one or more bad experience with the PC-III, why don't you start a thread expounding upon that, or point us to one which already exists? The vast majority of us who run one have nothing but good to say of them (apart maybe from having to be sure to light the engine while the fuel pump is still running).
sed against the SERT,etc.
The man asked an intelligent, technical question. He is entitled to an intelligent, technical answer. If you had a bad experience with the PCIII, then maybe you should have conveyed that in an intelligent, technical manner to include what you opted for in the way of fuel management (or "a real tuner box" as you refer to it) which you obviously omitted.
IMO I don't think an 11 word answer to his question was warranted. Surely your vocabulary spans more than 11 words, yes? Surely a man with your broad PCIII technical expertise can compose a more concise, informative answer relating your experiences with this product, yes? If you think you were "bashed", I would suggest you start back at the top, re-read this thread, and then take inventory. I never said your opinion was wrong. Where did you read that?
Your 11 word answer was not designed to be informative, only to provoke and incite; to convey your deep animosity towards the PCIII that supposedly scorned you!. Any response to this on your behalf would merely prove my point.
My PCIII works great! No problems whatsoever!
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Well I am glad you two know it all. So I guess I`ll just let the two of you have the entire website to claim/prove your the local know it all.
And by responding top this you will prove my point.? = What a D/A. Take a flying leap of a short pier youF/N know it all.
Search the forum and you'll find Tmax failures, SERT failures, PCIII failures, DTT failures, etc, etc.
At the same time you'll find people with Tmax failures biased against the Tmax, SERT failures bia
drdiesel1 obviously is one and his 11 words or so, helpful or not in the end fall under the "any", so we can't bash him for that in and of itself.
As far as my bashing very early this morning, well, let's just say I probably shouldn't have ridden home but spent the night instead and rode home after sleeping it off a bit. In any event, it wasn't a personal attack as much as a friendly jab. The belly laugh was meant to convey that. I don't have a clue what "D/A" means.
Hey Doc, you've evidently had one or more bad experience with the PC-III, why don't you start a thread expounding upon that, or point us to one which already exists? The vast majority of us who run one have nothing but good to say of them (apart maybe from having to be sure to light the engine while the fuel pump is still running).
sed against the SERT,etc.
The man asked an intelligent, technical question. He is entitled to an intelligent, technical answer. If you had a bad experience with the PCIII, then maybe you should have conveyed that in an intelligent, technical manner to include what you opted for in the way of fuel management (or "a real tuner box" as you refer to it) which you obviously omitted.
IMO I don't think an 11 word answer to his question was warranted. Surely your vocabulary spans more than 11 words, yes? Surely a man with your broad PCIII technical expertise can compose a more concise, informative answer relating your experiences with this product, yes? If you think you were "bashed", I would suggest you start back at the top, re-read this thread, and then take inventory. I never said your opinion was wrong. Where did you read that?
Your 11 word answer was not designed to be informative, only to provoke and incite; to convey your deep animosity towards the PCIII that supposedly scorned you!. Any response to this on your behalf would merely prove my point.
My PCIII works great! No problems whatsoever!
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Well I am glad you two know it all. So I guess I`ll just let the two of you have the entire website to claim/prove your the local know it all.
And by responding top this you will prove my point.? = What a D/A. Take a flying leap of a short pier youF/N know it all.
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RE: MAP vs. elevation question
ORIGINAL: drdiesel1
Interesting. That's the first I've heard of that.
Interesting. That's the first I've heard of that.
Well I am glad you two know it all. So I guess I`ll just let the two of you have the entire website to claim/prove your the local know it all.
And by responding top this you will prove my point.? = What a D/A. Take a flying leap of a short pier you F/N know it all.
And by responding top this you will prove my point.? = What a D/A. Take a flying leap of a short pier you F/N know it all.
So what's "D/A" (and now "F/N") mean?