congrats and nice bike- you would contact DJ tech support directly for a custom tune file, or, if you buy the PV from FuelMoto, they will set you up with the custom tune file and help get you going.

 

LA_Dog


I completely understand the conundrum. Problem is still in conflict and remains the same.

People accuse me of profiting off the products I speak about all the time so I understand Andy's troubles.

The poor unfortunate souls who accuse me have no clue as to who I am but they dishonor me all the same by spreading rumors. The difference between me and Andy is he profits and therefor it becomes a conflict with other people who pay for sponsorship.

He can petition IB for special circumstances if he pleases. I wish it were different but being a Mod I'm doing my duty here. Andy must refrain.

 

Hmm- Got it Wiz, I see your point but honestly I don't know anything about all that other stuff, rumors / accusations, etc, you kinda lost me on that. As a regularly participating member I appreciate the work of all the admins here.

Members like Jamie, UltraNutz, Mac, Andy all take a lot of time here to help other members with a variety tuning questions. Not once have I felt that anyone is plugging anything or trying to get members to buy something, except of course FM and we all of course support that here. MLV is the only tool we have to look at collected log data, and if you cut off the main source of expert info then you've cut off a good avenue of tuning help for the rest of us.

Anyway, if you look back through posts I don't think you'll see any plugging going on- it only gets mentioned because (1) we have the maker here participating as a seasoned tuner and fellow member, and (2) there is nothing else to use period, and (3) we ask questions on how to better understand ride log data for purposes of improving tunes. Maybe you can assist with an exception or whatever is needed, because this provides unique value here and strictly in a related sense to this topic. I'm only asking for some further consideration because this is the sole thread on the entire site, and one of the best on the entire internet, to intelligently discuss advanced HD tuning topics with a pool of seasoned experts.

Again JMHO, my post is not meant to be overly argumentative or disrespectful. Simply some further information and point of view to consider. That's all I'll say on it to keep things back OT.

 

UltraNZ-While it is not my intent to argue with your point for a couple of reasons, I will say that after a dyno tune (by a 'good' tuner who also admitted he was not a great tuner), and having previously used SERT, SESTPro, TTS, and PV since it came out with subsequent ATPro and now TT since July/August, I will say that reading Andy's posts, and Jamie's excellent info sharing, I've been able to make a huge difference in the dyno tune. Again, this does not replicate your point of having the bike tuned by an excellent dyno professional (and there are half a dozen or so around the country, that if I lived closer, I'd try),
I'd say Andy's offer to compare a good dyno tune file with a well developed TT tune file will be profitable to all. Unfortunately, since my dyno tune file is not the best, it'd not be a good comparison.


Wiz- I certainly see your point; and forum rules/regs are purposefully designed--no argument from me. Perhaps there is a way Andy and the mods can reach an agreement where he can still provide tuning analysis help to those of us who enjoy going beyond the TT basics. I think you mentioned his just not using the term MLV?


I have purchased the 'log viewer analysis' product and it has proven invaluable to me even though I'm still on what Dog refers to as that 'steep learning' curve, but the results have been excellent.

 

Hi Yobtaf- were I in your situation, I'd contact either DynoJet tech or FuelMoto tech. The reason I mention DJ first is because that was your reference. And as you probably discovered, S&S does not list the newer 110" either as referenced from the DJ sites.
I've found both FuelMoto and Dynojet to be most receptive to a call/question when it comes to supporting one of their products.
Good Luck.

 

I would love to see some of those comparatives back to back. To me it seems very challenging for the average PV user to develop a good tune based on ride log data over several days / weeks / months. things like optimal spark advance, AE, DE, CDE etc, which are things that a good dyno operator / experienced tuner can develop in a day.

Actually it would be very nice if DJ, Andy or whomever created some log data automation for the average Joe- things like "optimize my spark advance" or "tune CDE" or "optimize fuel tables" or "optimize Map load compensation" based on input log data, and presented suggested changes to make in the tune file. I think anyone would pay money for that. we have all the raw data, just nothing that is designed for use by riders with minimal to no actual tuning experience.

TTS has some built in utilities like this albeit basic. When you look at the log analysis suites included with most of the popular automotive delphi aftermarket tuners (at all price ranges), it painfully shows how little tools we HD delphi owners actually have. JMHO.

 

It doesn't terrify me one bit. What you fail to realize is that the mass majority of HD riders just want to ride their bikes and enjoy them. That's the bottom line. Yes a small percent enjoy the technical aspect of doing the tuning themselves and for them, TT is a great product. One other thing that is never mentioned is that DynoJet doesn't recommend using the TT as a replacement for a dyno tune, i've spoken with them and even have that as a response from them in an e-mail. Since the TT only adjusts fuel and doesn't take ignition timing into account. The e-mail I got from them basically says the TT is great for maintaining a proper dyno tune.

You get a kick out of reading data, that's great. I see you time and time again tell people with issues to run out and collect massive data logs so you can have you fun looking for issues. To me that is horrible advice. Why would anyone want to ride an out of tune bike for extended periods just to gather data? That makes no sense. The whole idea of having any engine properly tuned is not only for performance but for longevity, what good does it do to get a bike all dialed in after the damage has been done?

 

In the hierarchy of things on this site the Mods are at the bottom of the totem pole when it comes to staffing. I can't make that call.

Andy will need to reach an agreement with IB. Mentioning his product or not he still profits from it and that's where IB asks the Mods to step in moving the seller to IB front office.

Sorry to be a stick in the mud but its clear and if I were remiss then there are hundreds of people we have shut down in the past for profiting without sponsoring that would have every right to club me.

 

I'll still continue to strap mine to a dyno if I want my timing table to be correct, just setting the AFR and not messing with the timing is only half the tune. Heck with some builds timing and AFR is still only part of the tune. Some builds need other tables addressed, and some layman won't have a clue how to do it, they'll only dig them selves a deeper hole if they try. Dynojet as a company would be foolish if they produced a product that would produce a tune without the need of a dyno.

 

Everyone that has been participating in this thread has some good seasoned advice to give, and takes their own free time to help out others here. let's stop with the pissing contest and get back on track with the topic. all of you are right in your own way with your own personal tuning preferences and have something to share, and none of you are necessarily going to agree with each other. big deal. play nice.