Stage IV kit
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Apples to oranges when you are dealing with a cvo.
Look at the the dyno sheets in the link I posted that compare a regular M8 stage iii with a regular M8 stage IV.
Sure, the stage IV does have more potential, but using HD parts in those two kits, the IV has more horsepower, the iii has more torque, and the IV has less torque below 3,000 rpm than stock according to the dyno sheets on Harley's own website.
An interesting comparison is a regular M8 with the stage iii with a stock cvo.
Look at the the dyno sheets in the link I posted that compare a regular M8 stage iii with a regular M8 stage IV.
Sure, the stage IV does have more potential, but using HD parts in those two kits, the IV has more horsepower, the iii has more torque, and the IV has less torque below 3,000 rpm than stock according to the dyno sheets on Harley's own website.
An interesting comparison is a regular M8 with the stage iii with a stock cvo.
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I'm also doing a Stage 4 at the end of the month on my 17' CVO Streetglide - but using a Wood Performance TW999 cam instead of the SE 515 cam - focusing on torque rather than HP.
My Stage 3 117 CI with the SE 498 cam runs good. But want more torque and earlier in RPMs.
My Stage 3 117 CI with the SE 498 cam runs good. But want more torque and earlier in RPMs.
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So do share, who is providing the tune for this set-up. I so would love to do the same!!
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No issue with warranty with my dealer ... they stock many 3rd party after market performance parts.
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Same here. I just see so many on here scared of voiding there warranty and most likely some shops do that. I'm lucky that my dealership owner also drag races and is all about making power.
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Your dealer will be glad you had the cat header and internal HD components to get the HD claim approval while under warranty. If you have no issue with warranty claims, then there's lots of 3rd party performance components that can be installed for whatever level performance your wallet can support. No need to worry about warranties if that's your objective.
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No issue with my local dealer supporting a warranty claim on my bike either, even with 3rd party upgrades. BUT, if there's a significant claim that involves a regional HD dealer rep to authorize the claim, THEN your local dealer is going to want to show the Reg HD Dealer rep that the bike had legal exhaust and HD engine components inside. If they are missing, you can be sure the regional rep will find any excuse possible to reject the claim.
Your dealer will be glad you had the cat header and internal HD components to get the HD claim approval while under warranty. If you have no issue with warranty claims, then there's lots of 3rd party performance components that can be installed for whatever level performance your wallet can support. No need to worry about warranties if that's your objective.
Your dealer will be glad you had the cat header and internal HD components to get the HD claim approval while under warranty. If you have no issue with warranty claims, then there's lots of 3rd party performance components that can be installed for whatever level performance your wallet can support. No need to worry about warranties if that's your objective.
Nener ever have had a problem. Not worried the least. I've never owned a HD without 3rd party performance parts.
Good luck.
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BUT, I was well aware that I had voided my warranty with the MoCo and was on my own for any major issues
The MoCo dictates the warranty, not any dealer. While a dealer has leeway in what they report to the MoCo, they are not the final word on what gets repaired on the MoCo's dime. On a big claim, the dealer could be taking a big risk financially if they stick their neck out to get a non-EPA compliant bike repaired
The fear you referenced is that we are in unknown territory. The MoCo was fined big by the EPA, and has made concessions to ensure their bikes remain EPA compliant.
It is a new time for the MoCo when dealing with warranty repairs on non-EPA compliant bikes.... add to this a new engine design, and yes, some are worried about voiding the warranty, especially if they are contemplating an extended warranty. It is unknown how this will affect the "look the other way" warranty claims of the past.
I knowingly violated the warranty on a couple bikes and was willing to roll the dice. If you are too, then all the new warranty uncertainty will be amusing. If you want to keep your warranty, especially if you regularly travel outside the scope of your dealership, caution may be prudent...
It's risk- benefit... everyone choose the level they are comfortable with..
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I have modded my new bikes with aftermarket parts, all but one was before the warranty expired and one was 6 months after purchase..... I had a good relationship with my dealer and knew he would do what he could to resolve any warranty issues....
BUT, I was well aware that I had voided my warranty with the MoCo and was on my own for any major issues
The MoCo dictates the warranty, not any dealer. While a dealer has leeway in what they report to the MoCo, they are not the final word on what gets repaired on the MoCo's dime. On a big claim, the dealer could be taking a big risk financially if they stick their neck out to get a non-EPA compliant bike repaired
The fear you referenced is that we are in unknown territory. The MoCo was fined big by the EPA, and has made concessions to ensure their bikes remain EPA compliant.
It is a new time for the MoCo when dealing with warranty repairs on non-EPA compliant bikes.... add to this a new engine design, and yes, some are worried about voiding the warranty, especially if they are contemplating an extended warranty. It is unknown how this will affect the "look the other way" warranty claims of the past.
I knowingly violated the warranty on a couple bikes and was willing to roll the dice. If you are too, then all the new warranty uncertainty will be amusing. If you want to keep your warranty, especially if you regularly travel outside the scope of your dealership, caution may be prudent...
It's risk- benefit... everyone choose the level they are comfortable with..
BUT, I was well aware that I had voided my warranty with the MoCo and was on my own for any major issues
The MoCo dictates the warranty, not any dealer. While a dealer has leeway in what they report to the MoCo, they are not the final word on what gets repaired on the MoCo's dime. On a big claim, the dealer could be taking a big risk financially if they stick their neck out to get a non-EPA compliant bike repaired
The fear you referenced is that we are in unknown territory. The MoCo was fined big by the EPA, and has made concessions to ensure their bikes remain EPA compliant.
It is a new time for the MoCo when dealing with warranty repairs on non-EPA compliant bikes.... add to this a new engine design, and yes, some are worried about voiding the warranty, especially if they are contemplating an extended warranty. It is unknown how this will affect the "look the other way" warranty claims of the past.
I knowingly violated the warranty on a couple bikes and was willing to roll the dice. If you are too, then all the new warranty uncertainty will be amusing. If you want to keep your warranty, especially if you regularly travel outside the scope of your dealership, caution may be prudent...
It's risk- benefit... everyone choose the level they are comfortable with..