The Fix Is In!!!
#1002
10-03-2018, 10:43 PM
Check your transmission fluid to get a benchmark. Then check it again after riding a few hundred miles. If it has moved down or off the dip stick you have it. Of course, if you check your tranny fluid for a benchmark and it is not on the stick, you can probably skip the second step.
If you want to know more there are several threads about it on this forum, including this one. This one is not the longest!
#1003
10-04-2018, 04:58 AM
Road Warrior
[QUOTE=$tonecold;17730810]Congratulations, when I started this thread I would have never guessed. I would be curious if the slinger is removed if the transfer rate will reduce to what is was originally.
$tonecold, I’ll let you know. I plan on riding the bike on a mountain trip next weekend. My biggest transfer quantities have occurred when riding two up in the mountains. I usually do many accels and decels, which seems to move the fluid. Daily commute to work doesn’t adversely move it , but it may be because a mountain trip racks up 4-600 miles in a single clip.
im going back to the dealership after the ride so they can document how much is in the primary. Then I’ll see if they will remove it, OR I just do it at home. While I know HD ain’t gonna do anything, I want it documented. Put me on the list of the next batch of kits.
$tonecold, I’ll let you know. I plan on riding the bike on a mountain trip next weekend. My biggest transfer quantities have occurred when riding two up in the mountains. I usually do many accels and decels, which seems to move the fluid. Daily commute to work doesn’t adversely move it , but it may be because a mountain trip racks up 4-600 miles in a single clip.
im going back to the dealership after the ride so they can document how much is in the primary. Then I’ll see if they will remove it, OR I just do it at home. While I know HD ain’t gonna do anything, I want it documented. Put me on the list of the next batch of kits.
#1004
10-04-2018, 08:38 AM
Has anyone removed the Slinger?
Is it just a cap or is the nut and cap one piece?
If it's just a cap it would seem removable. if it's one piece then you will need to purchase a new nut as I doubt the dealership would return the old one at the time in install.
I have seen several reports that the Slinger made the problem worst.
Is it just a cap or is the nut and cap one piece?
If it's just a cap it would seem removable. if it's one piece then you will need to purchase a new nut as I doubt the dealership would return the old one at the time in install.
I have seen several reports that the Slinger made the problem worst.
#1005
10-04-2018, 08:51 AM
I had the "oil slinger" installed on my bike in early July. It made my transfer significantly worse.
Without the oil slinger, 4 ounces every 1,000 miles.
With oil slinger, 10+ ounces every 300 miles.
I had my dealer remove the slinger, and back to about 4 ounces every 1,000 miles.
The oil slinger can be removed, it is not part of the nut.
A Harley master technician met with me and my dealers service manager about 3 weeks ago at my dealership.
He stated they have had success with adding a vent to the primary. I asked him why the primary is pulling a vacuum on some bikes that have the transfer issue, and not on most bikes.
He could not explain. There is something definitely wrong if the primary is developing a vacuum and drawing the transmission fluid into the primary.
I told him I would not have the primary vent installed on my bike. I felt that was a Band-Aid, and not a true fix. Plus, it is fugly.
No true fix from Harley yet. Hopefully they have a fix before next April.
Without the oil slinger, 4 ounces every 1,000 miles.
With oil slinger, 10+ ounces every 300 miles.
I had my dealer remove the slinger, and back to about 4 ounces every 1,000 miles.
The oil slinger can be removed, it is not part of the nut.
A Harley master technician met with me and my dealers service manager about 3 weeks ago at my dealership.
He stated they have had success with adding a vent to the primary. I asked him why the primary is pulling a vacuum on some bikes that have the transfer issue, and not on most bikes.
He could not explain. There is something definitely wrong if the primary is developing a vacuum and drawing the transmission fluid into the primary.
I told him I would not have the primary vent installed on my bike. I felt that was a Band-Aid, and not a true fix. Plus, it is fugly.
No true fix from Harley yet. Hopefully they have a fix before next April.
#1006
10-05-2018, 09:03 AM
Larger pushrod? Been seeing some talk of changing out the pushrod to fix the transfer.
I just got done doing a full check on my primary and transmission. I had about 5000 miles since last service. Emptied out the primary and measured it and it appeared to be 6 ounces higher than when I serviced the bike. Emptied the transmission and found out where those six ounces came from.
Started doing some research and came across an interesting thread that suggested replacing the pushrod. The new pushrod, would not have the slop in it that the oem has, thus it would not allow the fluid transfer.
Question to the forum... has anyone changed out their pushrod to see if this would fix the issue?
Started doing some research and came across an interesting thread that suggested replacing the pushrod. The new pushrod, would not have the slop in it that the oem has, thus it would not allow the fluid transfer.
Question to the forum... has anyone changed out their pushrod to see if this would fix the issue?
#1007
10-05-2018, 09:06 AM
As stated in the forum, see where tranny fluid is on the stick, ride it for awhile and see if it goes down.. If it does go down, its moving to the primary. Over the period of about 5000 miles, I transferred six ounces.. there is no fix with Harley at this point and so I am going to look at perhaps replacing the pushrod.
#1008
10-05-2018, 10:02 AM
Seasoned HDF Member
As stated in the forum, see where tranny fluid is on the stick, ride it for awhile and see if it goes down.. If it does go down, its moving to the primary. Over the period of about 5000 miles, I transferred six ounces.. there is no fix with Harley at this point and so I am going to look at perhaps replacing the pushrod.
#1009
10-05-2018, 11:00 AM
As stated in the forum, see where tranny fluid is on the stick, ride it for awhile and see if it goes down.. If it does go down, its moving to the primary. Over the period of about 5000 miles, I transferred six ounces.. there is no fix with Harley at this point and so I am going to look at perhaps replacing the pushrod.
Some people have had success with the 2014 three piece hydraulic pushrods. I know of two in the states and about 9-10 in Germany that have used it and stopped or significantly reduced transfer. There’s also 3-4 in Germany that have tried it and not had success, so it is about 75% which is why I have reservations about the pushrods the Facebook guy is making.
”The Fix” puts a seal between the transmission and the primary. There is at least one rider that has over 20K miles on “The Fix” and numerous others that have logged thousands of miles with it. I have sold about fifty of the kits since I started and only one had a problem that was a bad machine work issue. If you want to go that route the kit cost $210. It takes an hour or two to install. I will have some kits together the first part of next week.
Those are your choices for the remedies most likely to work. So far the MOCO hasn’t put forward anything that works even 50% of the time and as some have testified the slinger can even aggravate the problem.
#1010
10-05-2018, 11:23 AM
Has anyone removed the Slinger?
Is it just a cap or is the nut and cap one piece?
If it's just a cap it would seem removable. if it's one piece then you will need to purchase a new nut as I doubt the dealership would return the old one at the time in install.
I have seen several reports that the Slinger made the problem worst.
Is it just a cap or is the nut and cap one piece?
If it's just a cap it would seem removable. if it's one piece then you will need to purchase a new nut as I doubt the dealership would return the old one at the time in install.
I have seen several reports that the Slinger made the problem worst.
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