2019 M8 114 Slip-ons, no tuner, no problem
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Fantastic write up. Answered many questions. My only question is, and I may have missed it. I the the tuner had to be done by as Harley tech? I currently have the Vance and Hines fp3 on my 16 limited. Just ordered a 19 limited and wanted to stay in warranty, thus sticking with HD air cleaner tuner and exhaust.
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Fantastic write up. Answered many questions. My only question is, and I may have missed it. I the the tuner had to be done by as Harley tech? I currently have the Vance and Hines fp3 on my 16 limited. Just ordered a 19 limited and wanted to stay in warranty, thus sticking with HD air cleaner tuner and exhaust.
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Youll need a Windows PC running a current version of Windows, I used Windows 10 Pro on a laptop. (Geek Speak: MAC version of software doesnt exist. Dont bother trying to use a Win 10 VM in Parallels on a MAC. Itll trip when you are required to cycle power and put the VCI into record mode. I wasted an hour trying to figure out why before grabbing a dedicated windows PC. )
The whole process is pretty straight forward. Once you have your tuner youll have its serial # which will enable you to download and install the pc software, update the VCI (tuner module). When you order the pro tuner you also need to order the corresponding cable kit to actually connect between your bike and your PC.
To MOCOs credit, there is a training area online that is among the best I have ever seen - takes you through the theory and operation of tuning using the SEPST. Its long, but its really good and worth the time if you really want to understand what all is actually going on with all this stuff and the sensor interactions with the controller (ECM)
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Some dealers will charge you half hour labor to install the street tuner, most hit you for an hour. You can do it yourself but you will need to have a laptop and purchase the cables. Like the other poster said, if you currently have a FP3, do not expect the street tuner to be as simple as clicking a few buttons on your phone. FP3 may not be the absolute best tuner out there but no denying it is simple to use.
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The dealer can install a stock tune for you, but they'll charge you $50 to $100 or more to do it, and it's not hard. The plus side is that you don't have to buy the $30 cables, as the dealer already has them. The downside is that you can't refine and fine tune your tune if the dealer installs it. If you buy the cables and jump through the hoops, you can collect data and refine the tune to suit your particular bike and your particular combination of parts, instead of relying on a precalibrated tune.
Is the process primitive? Sure, compared to the FP3, but it's not bad. It's not hard, and it's something that you're likely ever going to do maybe one day in your life (install tuner, go out and collect some data for a couple of SmartTune sessions and reflash). It's not like it's some continuous hassle that you have to do all the time. And, as said before, it's the only tuner that lets you keep your warranty. If warranty is not a concern, then there are easier and better tuners out there.
Is the process primitive? Sure, compared to the FP3, but it's not bad. It's not hard, and it's something that you're likely ever going to do maybe one day in your life (install tuner, go out and collect some data for a couple of SmartTune sessions and reflash). It's not like it's some continuous hassle that you have to do all the time. And, as said before, it's the only tuner that lets you keep your warranty. If warranty is not a concern, then there are easier and better tuners out there.
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I was surprised at how small the stock air filter is on the 114 ,the air filter on my 17 hp John Deer is bigger.
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The Screamin Eagle Pro Street Tuner can be implemented without the use of Harley dealer technicians. You can definitely DIY. But, I must warn you that it is nowhere near as polished as the Vance & Hines FP3. Youll see.
Youll need a Windows PC running a current version of Windows, I used Windows 10 Pro on a laptop. (Geek Speak: MAC version of software doesnt exist. Dont bother trying to use a Win 10 VM in Parallels on a MAC. Itll trip when you are required to cycle power and put the VCI into record mode. I wasted an hour trying to figure out why before grabbing a dedicated windows PC. )
The whole process is pretty straight forward. Once you have your tuner youll have its serial # which will enable you to download and install the pc software, update the VCI (tuner module). When you order the pro tuner you also need to order the corresponding cable kit to actually connect between your bike and your PC.
To MOCOs credit, there is a training area online that is among the best I have ever seen - takes you through the theory and operation of tuning using the SEPST. Its long, but its really good and worth the time if you really want to understand what all is actually going on with all this stuff and the sensor interactions with the controller (ECM)
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Ill load the stock map today or tomorrow and hopefully have time to go for a ride this next weekend.
Also is almost time for the 1k service. Maybe my test run will be the ride to the dealership...
Here a time lapse of the air cleaner installation.
nice and easy:
The size difference between the stock filter and the K&N version on the same wedge box is crazy...
Also is almost time for the 1k service. Maybe my test run will be the ride to the dealership...
Here a time lapse of the air cleaner installation.
nice and easy:
The size difference between the stock filter and the K&N version on the same wedge box is crazy...
Last edited by DenisLM; Feb 26, 2019 at 12:27 PM.