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Old Jul 21, 2020 | 12:45 PM
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Originally Posted by ntraindavefl
There’s a thread here where Steve Cole describes the case design flaws that create sumping. No real fix for some bikes it seems. Probably won’t work but what’s there to lose but tine and money, try the stock pump
Yes. Thanks! I red Steve’s thread a while back.
 
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Old Jul 21, 2020 | 03:16 PM
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Thanks for your response. You’re right, I wouldn’t be able to tell if there was any damage as a result without a full break down. I just refuse to do that again on this bike. Once I was able to idle for a while a minute or so, it returned to normal. At this point if I were to break the engine down, I’d be looking to scrap the screaming eagle heads, Port the TB manifold and a few other things. Just wanted to get thoughts about the 2020 oil pump setup.
Well I feel for ya. I've never had a sumping issue, even in the heat. Over the past winter though, I've had an FM cam kit installed etc and had the 2020 oil pump installed at the same time. So far this year I've rode 5k miles without any hiccups, but like I said, no issues prior. I wonder if you were to switch oil brands if that would make a difference in your bike. Your style of riding or your particular bike might be causing foaming issues?? IDK...;>) Keep us posted, Dutchy
 
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Old Jul 21, 2020 | 03:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Dutchy3051
Well I feel for ya. I've never had a sumping issue, even in the heat. Over the past winter though, I've had an FM cam kit installed etc and had the 2020 oil pump installed at the same time. So far this year I've rode 5k miles without any hiccups, but like I said, no issues prior. I wonder if you were to switch oil brands if that would make a difference in your bike. Your style of riding or your particular bike might be causing foaming issues?? IDK...;> Keep us posted, Dutchy
Glad you’ve never experienced this. It’s very disturbing when it happens. I just recently switched to a slightly heavier V-Twin oil, but I experienced this once before with the current build, but the Feuling Pump always recovered after idling for a minute. I hate to say it, but at some point, I may trade up to a 2020. I’ve yet to hear any sumping issues with them. I’d be willing to give up the numbers for stability and piece of mind.
 
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Old Jul 21, 2020 | 04:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Vision
Glad you’ve never experienced this. It’s very disturbing when it happens. I just recently switched to a slightly heavier V-Twin oil, but I experienced this once before with the current build, but the Feuling Pump always recovered after idling for a minute. I hate to say it, but at some point, I may trade up to a 2020. I’ve yet to hear any sumping issues with them. I’d be willing to give up the numbers for stability and piece of mind.
have over 12000 miles, 100 % flawless thus far and stock 2020 RGS 114. Liberating feeling having plenty enough power and not feeling the need to spend, fret or fuss over anything and can beat on it knowing it can handle everything i throw at it in stock form and trust it on long trips. Just rides, handles and runs fantastic and absolutely loving every minute on it
 
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Old Jul 21, 2020 | 04:58 PM
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If you recognized the sumping and handled it appropriately and quickly, chances are there is no damage. I'd go for the 2020 pump/plate. I have the same Feuling setup and if it ever sumped (hasn't since I installed it), I would replace it with the HD 2020 parts.
 
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Old Jul 21, 2020 | 07:18 PM
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OP Did you happen to pull the crank sensor and drain any oil from the crankcase? Curious if any oil collected, and how much, due to sumping.
 
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Old Jul 22, 2020 | 12:22 PM
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I think I might have had this problem too! I have a '19 SGS, and last week I had what I would describe as being a 'power failure' in 1st through 4th gears. I'd ridden the bike for about 2 hours, highway speeds, hot day (95+ degrees), and finally stopped for lunch. Bike was riding fine when I parked it, went in and ate, came out 1/2 hour later, started the bike normally and went to pull out of the parking lot and it was like the bike had a school buss chained to the rear swing arm. It literally crawled up in rpms, got to about 4K and just wouldn't go any higher. I was able to shift gears OK, so as I exited the parking lot and crossed the road on to a highway entrance ramp I could build speed. I managed to work it up to about 60mph in 4th, then hit 5th and things appeared to be starting to return to 'normal'. I got into 6th and did about 70 to 75 for another 15 miles or so on the interstate. As I got about 4 miles from home I got into 45mph traffic, again bike seemed OK, but when I went to turn into my neighborhood and down shifted to 1st again, the power was gone again. At this point I noted a 'low fuel' message on the screen, so I turned around and drove the 1 mile back to my local gas station. Filled up, started the bike, and waited for the fuel gauge to read 'full'....then pulled away. Again, no power. Pulled over to the side of the road, stopped the engine and re-started it thinking maybe it needed some kind of 're-set'. Still no power. Rode it home and parked it. Came out 5 hours later and it started and ran fine. Rode it 200 miles a few days later, 300 miles yesterday (in 100 degree heat).....and now it's riding flawlessly! I'm stumped on this! Could I have experienced a 'sumping' problem that corrected itself by just sitting for 5 hours? Or maybe the ride home from the gas station cured it? This is a new one on me!!! Any help or comments would be appreciated. And....not trying to 'gank' the OP's tread....just trying to get some answers and hopefully will get steered in the right direction. Thanks!!
 
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Old Jul 22, 2020 | 04:17 PM
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i'm not convinced that you had sumping. normally, if you do, then instead of shutting the engine down, you should let it sit and idle for a couple of minutes. that allows the oil pump to 'catch up'.
 
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Originally Posted by NorthWestern
OP Did you happen to pull the crank sensor and drain any oil from the crankcase? Curious if any oil collected, and how much, due to sumping.
Didn’t pull the CPS, but I know if I did, it would have been more oil in there than what’s supposed to be. Like I was saying once you’ve experienced sumping, you pretty much know what it is. Since idling, oil level is correct.
 
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Old Jul 22, 2020 | 06:39 PM
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Originally Posted by 19SGS
I think I might have had this problem too! I have a '19 SGS, and last week I had what I would describe as being a 'power failure' in 1st through 4th gears. I'd ridden the bike for about 2 hours, highway speeds, hot day (95+ degrees), and finally stopped for lunch. Bike was riding fine when I parked it, went in and ate, came out 1/2 hour later, started the bike normally and went to pull out of the parking lot and it was like the bike had a school buss chained to the rear swing arm. It literally crawled up in rpms, got to about 4K and just wouldn't go any higher. I was able to shift gears OK, so as I exited the parking lot and crossed the road on to a highway entrance ramp I could build speed. I managed to work it up to about 60mph in 4th, then hit 5th and things appeared to be starting to return to 'normal'. I got into 6th and did about 70 to 75 for another 15 miles or so on the interstate. As I got about 4 miles from home I got into 45mph traffic, again bike seemed OK, but when I went to turn into my neighborhood and down shifted to 1st again, the power was gone again. At this point I noted a 'low fuel' message on the screen, so I turned around and drove the 1 mile back to my local gas station. Filled up, started the bike, and waited for the fuel gauge to read 'full'....then pulled away. Again, no power. Pulled over to the side of the road, stopped the engine and re-started it thinking maybe it needed some kind of 're-set'. Still no power. Rode it home and parked it. Came out 5 hours later and it started and ran fine. Rode it 200 miles a few days later, 300 miles yesterday (in 100 degree heat).....and now it's riding flawlessly! I'm stumped on this! Could I have experienced a 'sumping' problem that corrected itself by just sitting for 5 hours? Or maybe the ride home from the gas station cured it? This is a new one on me!!! Any help or comments would be appreciated. And....not trying to 'gank' the OP's tread....just trying to get some answers and hopefully will get steered in the right direction. Thanks!!

it sound like that’s what you were experiencing, but I agree that if you would have let the bike sit upright and idled it, power should come back to normal with sumping. Did you idle it for a bit before you parked it?
 
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