110 CI Engine rapping???
Road Master
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From: Tampa, FL
Same thing here. The hotter it gets the more it sounds like a bucket of bolts rattling or bad pinging coming from the engine. Once the temp comes down it goes away. Changing out pipes and intake today so hopefully this might help. If not, I think I will add an oil cooler next.
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From: Eastern NE
Wow...you'd think spending +$30K for a bike it should run/sound like a million. As others indicate - gotta be something w/set-up b/c seems pretty common. Probably just the noise of your 110 beast com'n to life.
Tourer
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From: Land of the black buggy
I test drove a 2010 CVO Convertible before I bought my Fat Boy.
I noticed a lot of valvetrain noise in the CVO, but probably more so since the stock exhaust was so quiet.
My Fat Boy has a noisy compensator, if I lug the engine down below 2000rpms it sounds like a 5lb sledge hammer rolling around inside.
In both cases the dealer(s) said it's normal (although they claim the SE compensator is quieter... possibly trying to make a sale)
I noticed a lot of valvetrain noise in the CVO, but probably more so since the stock exhaust was so quiet.
My Fat Boy has a noisy compensator, if I lug the engine down below 2000rpms it sounds like a 5lb sledge hammer rolling around inside.
In both cases the dealer(s) said it's normal (although they claim the SE compensator is quieter... possibly trying to make a sale)
Tourer
Joined: Aug 2007
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From: PA, Lincoln University
The valve train on the 110's clatters and think the lowers, etc on an Ultra direct more of the sound back to you. I just got used to the sound and chalk it up to being normal since I've got about 30k miles on the bike and it has been trouble free. It was very unnerving at first and was worse until I changed out my pipes and AC to get the engine breathing better because it is definitely worse the hotter the engine.
4th Gear
Joined: Sep 2014
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From: West Palm Beach, FL.
110 CVO Motor Noise
I have a 2010 CVO Ultra. After 1000 miles it started making noise. There was a tap-tap-tap and a clack-clack-clack. Brought it to many dealers. They all said that it was normal 110 noise. Finally on road trip Groves H-D in Winchester VA had several techs with a stethoscope check it out and concluded that it was a bad valve (roller) lifter. Groves is a great dealership, awesome customer service!
When I got back to Florida at Orlando H-D South (Kissimee) Steve Smart the Service Manager and his Techs checked it out and said it was lifters and suspected more problems. Will Swart the GM also got involved and was in agreement. Wow! What a great dealer. Been riding 30 years and have never been so impressed.
They tore it down (34k miles) and found many problems. Reconditioned heads, new lifters, rockers, pistons-rings, cams and oil pump. Also replaced a severely worn compensator. Basically a rebuild. All covered by ESP! Never a question about me paying the bill.
I was so impressed that I bought a new Limited from them. Even that was a great deal.
Normal noises my ***!
When I got back to Florida at Orlando H-D South (Kissimee) Steve Smart the Service Manager and his Techs checked it out and said it was lifters and suspected more problems. Will Swart the GM also got involved and was in agreement. Wow! What a great dealer. Been riding 30 years and have never been so impressed.
They tore it down (34k miles) and found many problems. Reconditioned heads, new lifters, rockers, pistons-rings, cams and oil pump. Also replaced a severely worn compensator. Basically a rebuild. All covered by ESP! Never a question about me paying the bill.
I was so impressed that I bought a new Limited from them. Even that was a great deal.
Normal noises my ***!
4th Gear
Joined: Sep 2014
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From: West Palm Beach, FL.
CVO 110 Motor Noise
I have a 2010 CVO Ultra. After 1000 miles it started making noise. There was a tap-tap-tap and a clack-clack-clack. Brought it to many dealers. They all said that it was normal 110 noise. Finally on road trip Groves H-D in Winchester VA had several techs with a stethoscope check it out and concluded that it was a bad valve (roller) lifter. Groves is a great dealership, awesome customer service!
When I got back to Florida at Orlando H-D South (Kissimee) Steve Smart the Service Manager and his Techs checked it out and said it was lifters and suspected more problems. Will Swart the GM also got involved and was in agreement. Wow! What a great dealer. Been riding 30 years and have never been so impressed.
They tore it down (34k miles) and found many problems. Reconditioned heads, new lifters, rockers, pistons-rings, cams and oil pump. Also replaced a severely worn compensator. Basically a rebuild. All covered by ESP! Never a question about me paying the bill.
I was so impressed that I bought a new Limited from them. Even that was a great deal.
Normal noises my ***!
When I got back to Florida at Orlando H-D South (Kissimee) Steve Smart the Service Manager and his Techs checked it out and said it was lifters and suspected more problems. Will Swart the GM also got involved and was in agreement. Wow! What a great dealer. Been riding 30 years and have never been so impressed.
They tore it down (34k miles) and found many problems. Reconditioned heads, new lifters, rockers, pistons-rings, cams and oil pump. Also replaced a severely worn compensator. Basically a rebuild. All covered by ESP! Never a question about me paying the bill.
I was so impressed that I bought a new Limited from them. Even that was a great deal.
Normal noises my ***!
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From: CC TX
The 110 is a noisy motor, every dealer I have run mine by has told me the same thing, "that's normal".
The longer the ride the more noise you'll hear. 250 mile ride last friday up to Austin, rattling like a solid lifter gear driven camshaft small block chevy. By the time I got back to Corpus that evening (500 miles round trip) it sounded like it was going to shell out.
The longer the ride the more noise you'll hear. 250 mile ride last friday up to Austin, rattling like a solid lifter gear driven camshaft small block chevy. By the time I got back to Corpus that evening (500 miles round trip) it sounded like it was going to shell out.
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From: Mountain West, Big Sky Country
My 12 cvo came apart at 18k due to a failed lifter. The 110 valve train is the primary problem along with crappy lifters. Lifters are a maintenance issue on the 110 and should be changed regularly (like every 15k)
The 255 cam due to its design has a higher lift and drop point on the cam lobes and puts pressure on the roller portion of the lifter and rocks it in the lifter bore. In addition the 110 uses overly heavy valve springs and this causes more pressure on the valve train further aggravating the issue.
What all this causes is a noisey valve train.
To solve. Replace lifters with brand name. (S&S) replace cams. And get more correct valve springs.
Your problems will decline and your engine will be improved. Or buy Esp and let CNA pay for a half *** build.
Your choice.
By the way, ESP paid to rebuild my 110 and i worked with the repair facility to build it right and it cost more than ESP reimbursed. ESP will not pay to clean the oil pan or oil cooler after you have dumped metal in the engine after a mechanical failure
Beware
The 255 cam due to its design has a higher lift and drop point on the cam lobes and puts pressure on the roller portion of the lifter and rocks it in the lifter bore. In addition the 110 uses overly heavy valve springs and this causes more pressure on the valve train further aggravating the issue.
What all this causes is a noisey valve train.
To solve. Replace lifters with brand name. (S&S) replace cams. And get more correct valve springs.
Your problems will decline and your engine will be improved. Or buy Esp and let CNA pay for a half *** build.
Your choice.
By the way, ESP paid to rebuild my 110 and i worked with the repair facility to build it right and it cost more than ESP reimbursed. ESP will not pay to clean the oil pan or oil cooler after you have dumped metal in the engine after a mechanical failure
Beware