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Old Aug 15, 2022 | 05:39 PM
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i run enclosed belt with the 52 roller bearings and retainer. 5 stud hub. at a standstill with the lever pulled in the hub should not spin, right ? my whole clutch spins. that could be why i cant get neutral at standstill ? as soon as i turn off the engine it will click straight in to neutral. if correct whats the fix if any. thanks
 
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For me.. 3 studs, Aluminum pressure plate, stock rollers in cage, Ram Jett retainer, dead flat and clean steels, Clean and Dry frictions, passed over fairly smooth concrete floor, Dry Frictions is Paramount.. Adjustment is as important as Dry Frictions. The throw-out fingers must be in proper position for Full, throw-out Throw..
 

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For me.. 3 studs, Aluminum pressure plate, stock rollers in cage, Ram Jett retainer, dead flat and clean steels, Clean and Dry frictions, passed over fairly smooth concrete floor, Dry Frictions is Paramount.. Adjustment is as important as Dry Frictions. The throw-out fingers must be in proper position for Full, throw-out Throw..
got the alloy pressure plate. was thinking going to the stock bearing in the cage and 3 stud hub when riding you can hear the clutch plates rattle when clutch is engaged
 

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Old Aug 15, 2022 | 09:52 PM
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clutch it'll solve all your problems if you can find one they went out of business you know
 
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Take it all apart - see if the full rollers have destroyed the hub yet - it needs lube - the guys who run them do it every year or so by repacking the grease

we dont use the fuel roller set up seen way too many seize
 
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got the alloy pressure plate. was thinking going to the stock bearing in the cage and 3 stud hub when riding you can hear the clutch plates rattle when clutch is engaged
The only real problem with 5-stud, besides Not being able to get perfectly "square" is it does not lend itself well to the Ramm Jett retainer. I feel the Retainer is Key..
but...so is Dry, and so is proper Cable adjustment vs hub adjuster adjustment, (angle of the fingers)
I hope you mean you can hear the plates with clutch Disengaged.. Open primaries are even louder, add a fairing or windshield.. you will think your bike is Coming Apart
 
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The only real problem with 5-stud, besides Not being able to get perfectly "square" is it does not lend itself well to the Ramm Jett retainer. I feel the Retainer is Key..
but...so is Dry, and so is proper Cable adjustment vs hub adjuster adjustment, (angle of the fingers)
I hope you mean you can hear the plates with clutch Disengaged.. Open primaries are even louder, add a fairing or windshield.. you will think your bike is Coming Apart
the clutch plates are in perfect cond and when they rattle tells me that part of the clutch is working. it has new cable and adjusted right
 
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Take it all apart - see if the full rollers have destroyed the hub yet - it needs lube - the guys who run them do it every year or so by repacking the grease

we dont use the fuel roller set up seen way too many seize
thanks john. what i will say is my hd mech changed the hub when the threads on the 3 stud hub were stripped and replaced it with a 5 stud hub so he would have had to check the rollers and grease them on re assembly the bike has done next to no miles since.if i take the derby cover off with the engine off and in neutral the hub should spin freely with no resistance. correct ? when i fitted the belt drive yrs ago im pretty sure all the rollers did not fit also my mate whos a mc mech had to bore the shell out as it was to tight to spin. the bike does hardly any mile a yr. i did mention to my hd mech at one stage about not getting neutral at a standstill and he said its normal. you have to be slightly moving
 

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Originally Posted by john lee
thanks john. what i will say is my hd mech changed the hub when the threads on the 3 stud hub were stripped and replaced it with a 5 stud hub so he would have had to check the rollers and grease them on re assembly the bike has done next to no miles since.if i take the derby cover off with the engine off and in neutral the hub should spin freely with no resistance. correct ? when i fitted the belt drive yrs ago im pretty sure all the rollers did not fit also my mate whos a mc mech had to bore the shell out as it was to tight to spin. the bike does hardly any mile a yr. i did mention to my hd mech at one stage about not getting neutral at a standstill and he said its normal. you have to be slightly moving
If the bike has to be moving to find neutral then the sifton ramjet retainer ring is the fix. Fixed the problem with my current FXR and former FXWG, of course I had the 3 stub clutch hub on both.
https://www.vtwinmfg.com/Instructions/18/18-3116.pdf
 
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If the bike has to be moving to find neutral then the sifton ramjet retainer ring is the fix. Fixed the problem with my current FXR and former FXWG, of course I had the 3 stub clutch hub on both.
https://www.vtwinmfg.com/Instructions/18/18-3116.pdf
thanks my main question is with engine off and in neutral i should be able to spin the hub with lever pulled in ?
 
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