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Old Dec 30, 2025 | 06:25 AM
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OK im going to try and put as much info as I can in this and hopefully the gurus here will have some good input. I have a 84in stroked shovel . They are 1972 cases. At some point the person who built it upgraded to the end oiler pinion shaft and also the cover to go with that . Since I have owned this motor I have had an issue with the front cylinder puffing smoke at an idle when warmed up . I recently put new barells ( yes they were modified to move the oil port to case drain ) new s&s pistons and rings and even a new set of s&s heads . Its still does the same thing it did with the old heads and old pistons and barells. This made me think hmm maybe it's an oil issue. The gauge jumps around some but cold idle its pegged past 60 . Warmed up idle its at 40psi and just a little extra rpm sends it right back to 60 plus . I noticed the oil pump that was used is a # 31-6048 and in the literature I have read thats for a 69 and back motor .... someone did make the mod where they plugged the oil overflow next to the breather and they did drill that extra hole above the pinion feed hole that I guess is for chain lube? But one thing I noticed is that there was no hole drilled above the breather for a pressure relief.... could this be my issue ? Before I start drilling things I need to figure out where to go with this . It appears the correct part number for a cone is 31-6050 ...

 

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https://www.sscycle.com/content/docu...1936-99-bt.pdf

As you can see . There is nothing in the instructions that says you can use the 31-6048 on a cone ... however certain vendors list it 36-72.....
 
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Will need to go into my notes. But the explain you gave as i was reading i thought its a valve seal - worn valve guide and or both - you did not say you do any head work - the holes are a good thing but did you blind with jug with a brass pipe - so no oil is going into the oil rings when the piston uncovers the holes at BDC
 

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Will need to go into my notes. But the explain you gave as i was reading i thought its a valve seal - worn valve guide and or both - you did not say you do any head work - the holes are a good thing but did you blind with jug with a brass pipe - so no oil is going into the oil rings when the piston uncovers the holes at BDC
Pretty sure i solved the mystery . to answer your question ,yes the cylinder drains were plugged with tubing . The heads are brand new s&s and it did the same with harley heads . The builder used the wrong pump . I have the correct pump on the way . The bike was getting full pressure to the top end and no pressure to the pinion . It wasn't together that long and bottom end seems fine. Plus it was being bathed in 60 psi of oil from the head drains . Ill report back when the new pump is on

 
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Your new pump may require you to use the fixture and drill your case, I do not think I see that hole.




The new pump may have this relief port in it and matches up with the hole to be drilled.






Drill jig part number is here.
 

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Correct Ken, I have also ordered the jig to drill the pressure relief hole.
 
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