Shovelhead front end update
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RE: Shovelhead front end update
ORIGINAL: pococj
Well, you are from Penn-slow-mania! 
ORIGINAL: cj_slowdown
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cj
ps: honestly pococj, tell me straight, no bs, I can take it, do you think,I have an accent ????
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cj
ps: honestly pococj, tell me straight, no bs, I can take it, do you think,I have an accent ????
"cj ps: honestly pococj, tell me straight, no bs, I can take it, do you think, I have an accent ????"
"Well, you are from Penn-slow-mania!"
Not only that, but I am only 18 miles west or so (as the crow flies) from center city Philly ! I wish it could be a little more west, say 500 or a 1,000 miles : - )
Show huh ??? we got to ride together some day : - )))
Thanks for being honest !!! and I’ll work on that slow thing : - )))))
take care,
cj
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RE: Shovelhead front end update
ORIGINAL: Rodney
nice looking set of triples and tweak bar! {thats what we've always called them}.
I've ran one on my wide glide from the day I went with 8 over tubes.
I also feel that my big stock fender give some more stability to the front end.
nice looking set of triples and tweak bar! {thats what we've always called them}.
I've ran one on my wide glide from the day I went with 8 over tubes.
I also feel that my big stock fender give some more stability to the front end.
Rodney"
"nice looking set of triples and tweak bar! {thats what we've always called them}. "
Thanks, and your right tweak bar, I got to lay that on frank, him and his braces !! I tell him a brace is something you hold something up with, "like I put a brace against my lean-too wall" : - )))) a truss is something you lock-together !!!! as in roof to side walls.
"I've ran one on my wide glide from the day I went with 8 over tubes. "
8 over !!!!!!!!!!!!! damn, how long did you have to call ahead for a reservation to make left or right turns ?? : - )))))) that was always my main gripe with extended front ends, but again that’s me, you have to be a better rider, than me, I take turns for granted you on the other hand, got to know them, personal !!
"I also feel that my big stock fender give some more stability to the front end."
Your shilling me ? your counting on a fender to give you extra stability ? man you live on the edge !!! : - )
take care,
cj 
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RE: Shovelhead front end update
With the work Larry and I did to the frame back in the 80's I don't noticed a problem with handling and once the bike is moving its a pleasure to ride. One other bonus adding to to the frame was clearance not only to the front head but I have no problem removing the rear with the lengthened seat post. When the bike was to stock specs I was all the time dragging bottom and hitting my front pipe on something more so when packing and loaded down for a run. {something you may experience now running the front pipe from a generator engine} I also opt to run the pipes which incorporate the "S" pipe which fits between the engine and frame, this gets the pipe tucked away from the ground.
One of the biggest things I notice guys doing to themselves are to narrow handle bars taking away valuable leverage to steer the bike at slow speeds. {I did this to myself thinking the bars looked good but taking away from safety dumm plan}.
Front fender ya maybe not much help but like building an airplane its not one part that makes it strong is several fastened together in a logical and designed way.
I've alway dreamed of making a stock fender with a build in tweak bar utilizing the fender mounts as the support and having it made of high strength steel fitting and hiding under the stock fender. But it was easier to buy the 20 dollar one and simply bolt it on just above the final travel of the legs. I do think tweak bars are ugly and clutter up a front end but then again safety first.
One of the biggest things I notice guys doing to themselves are to narrow handle bars taking away valuable leverage to steer the bike at slow speeds. {I did this to myself thinking the bars looked good but taking away from safety dumm plan}.
Front fender ya maybe not much help but like building an airplane its not one part that makes it strong is several fastened together in a logical and designed way.
I've alway dreamed of making a stock fender with a build in tweak bar utilizing the fender mounts as the support and having it made of high strength steel fitting and hiding under the stock fender. But it was easier to buy the 20 dollar one and simply bolt it on just above the final travel of the legs. I do think tweak bars are ugly and clutter up a front end but then again safety first.
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RE: Shovelhead front end update
“Rodneyâ€
“With the work Larry and I did to the frame back in the 80's I don't noticed a problem with handling and once the bike is moving its a pleasure to ride. One other bonus adding to to the frame was clearance not only to the front head but I have no problem removing the rear with the lengthened seat post. When the bike was to stock specs I was all the time dragging bottom and hitting my front pipe on something more so when packing and loaded down for a run. {something you may experience now running the front pipe from a generator engine}â€
I use to drag my favor front exhaust pipe I ran F.U.B.A.R. exhaust triple wall over 2.25†OD with the inter pipe 1.5, heat shields who needed heat shields with triple wall pipes !!! : - ) I had them from 1981 till last year, no-way were they going to fit on this new S&S engine, I must have over the years straighten out the slash-cuts, had them re-chromed at least four times, I love them pipes ! I am still pissed off I can’t run them ! I’ll attach a photo before the new engine and tranny in ’06, hay one more thing I have an alternator not a generator motor, no biggie just keeping it straight.
“ I also opt to run the pipes which incorporate the "S" pipe which fits between the engine and frame, this gets the pipe tucked away from the ground. One of the biggest things I notice guys doing to themselves are to narrow handle bars taking away valuable leverage to steer the bike at slow speeds. {I did this to myself thinking the bars looked good but taking away from safety dumm plan}.â€
I hear you on the narrow handlebars ! and talking about “taking away valuable leverage to steer the bike at slow speeds†what about those ape hangers !!!!! I could never, ever see what the big deal about them was !!!! except maybe the blood pools in ones elbows : - ))) forget counter steering on both types !!
“ Front fender ya maybe not much help but like building an airplane its not one part that makes it strong is several fastened together in a logical and designed way. I've alway dreamed of making a stock fender with a build in tweak bar utilizing the fender mounts as the support and having it made of high strength steel fitting and hiding under the stock fender. But it was easier to buy the 20 dollar one and simply bolt it on just above the final travel of the legs. I do think tweak bars a ugly and clutter up a front end but then again safety first.â€
[font="times new roman"][color=#0000cc][size=3]I am with you on the “several fastened together†I get that, but I also get the front ends are only screwed in at the top of the tree and that fender mount support, meaning “holding the fender in place†yes it brings in some support so the front tubes doesn’t do a dance hall split : - ) but no way would I ever ride a WG, 8†over without a truss/brace or tweak bar, they are ugly, but that IMO its true support, in fact I am a little upset with C.C.E. they use to make their truss bars in one piece design, I guess they heard to much bitching about “Damn, I got to take my slides off to
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RE: Shovelhead front end update
I couldn't run ape hangers, my arms would fall asleep and hands turn ice cold in a miles riding.
I'm for comfort not looks.
one thing I'm sure has been ask a hundred time:
Why didn't S&S build 2 bolt exhaust flanges when making their heads and either build pipes or sub the job to Paugho or some one?
of course I know your Shovels an Alt engine I was only commenting on the pipes you were forced to run
good luck on the front end CJ
I'm for comfort not looks.
one thing I'm sure has been ask a hundred time:
Why didn't S&S build 2 bolt exhaust flanges when making their heads and either build pipes or sub the job to Paugho or some one?
of course I know your Shovels an Alt engine I was only commenting on the pipes you were forced to run
good luck on the front end CJ
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RE: Shovelhead front end update
“Rodneyâ€
“I couldn't run ape hangers, my arms would fall asleep and hands turn ice cold in a miles riding.
I'm for comfort not looksâ€
smart !!!! same here in fact anyone could just look at my ride through the years and see that, no steel chrome hiway pegs / forward controls no chrome handlebar grips, tiny windscreen etc.
“one thing I'm sure has been ask a hundred time:
Why didn't S&S build 2 bolt exhaust flanges when making their heads and either build pipes or sub the job to Paugho or some one? “
I am sure it would not make everybody happy, I agree it would be the right way to do it, but odds have it a lot of **** off pipe makers would want a piece of their a$$ maybe left with a whole lot of pipe models, I would like to believe that when one has no choice of getting a new or re-condition head, lots I believe go to S&S, still cuts off a fair amount of pipe makers, who really knows, it is just my opinion.
“of course I know your Shovels an Alt engine I was only commenting on the pipes you were forced to runâ€
I should have took it that way, sorry ! like I said they were the only second pair of pipes I ever brought for my ride since new !! : - )))
“good luck on the front end CJâ€
thanks Rodney, just some things to wait for of course, the sliders came with nothing and dealers don’t stock those items since they don’t go bad !!! so my dealer had to order them from a hd dealer, he told me Saturday that in a few days should be in and hopefully by the end of this week the headlight will come in, then the wiring and the new handlebar controls.
cj
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RE: Shovelhead front end update
Well the slides are finish they got the internal parts from hd at last, so the frond end is loosely fitted on, some minor problem with the ‘90’s front wheel and the 2000 up slides. seems the disk may have to be turn out a bit to fit, I really didn’t a chance to talk to frank he was busy I was on my way to other places this AM, anyway seems to be on track ! the headlight should be in this friday coming, then the wiring and the new switches, I didn’t have my camera today but my cell camera so sorry about that, I will post something about the ordering of the headlight when I finally see the one from headwinds, so maybe next weekend for that story !
all ride safe,
cj
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RE: Shovelhead front end update
Thats going to look as good as function Great CJ
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RE: Shovelhead front end update
ORIGINAL: Rodney
Thats going to look as good as function Great CJ
Very Nice!![sm=smiley20.gif]
Thats going to look as good as function Great CJ
Very Nice!![sm=smiley20.gif]
Rodney,
Thanks all my riding years,it was always aboutfunction ! now maybe some looks to boot : - )
hay, notice the little things, Ican't help it, it's that functional thing, see in the lower pic, how C.C.E. added that piece of steel below the neck, tell them the year of theframe you have and they add that piece so one can use the front end pad lock, not that the pad lock, is the best thing, but for the one time it's not a Pro, it can help, better than nothing up there : - )
ride safe,
cj
sorry about these cell phone pics this one is even wrost it's out of focuse !! : - ))
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RE: Shovelhead front end update
The freakin headlight fiasco !
Ok, here’s how it goes, am at the dealer, ok frank I need a headlight, better get a big one cj, lots of wiring goes in it, yeah I know a lot of crap is loaded in my stock unit, along with that electronic flasher for the LED’s ok, I’ll pick one out, be back in a few days.
After in catalogs on line, one thing I am sticking with, and that’s my 5 ¾†headlight, ok easy, but the only unit I kept going back too see was damn, the one make which years back I first saw (I think in JP cat) I said, who in the hell would ever pay 300 bucks for a headlight housing !!!! ??? come-on 300 bucks ! that’s nuts !!!
Yeah, it’s the Headwinds line, sure they are billet aluminum housings not press out steel, but damn the price ! no I am not spending 300 bucks, oh, no I am spending 430 bucks !!!! I am pretty solid in my views and opinions but flexible enough to change when shown why something maybe be better ! how’s that ? doesn’t that sound like a cop-out now, huh ? : - )
Well the next headlight housing that came in second was going for 250, so the old justifying technique started, well looks like I am going to spend at least 250…… some know what I am talking about : - )
Ok, this light serves two purposes one it’s the one I really like, second it’s length is 7 ¾†long, and 6†in Dia, the model is 1-5900SCCA and name isCONCOURS MARIAH ROCKET HEADLIGHT ASSEMBLY SLASH CUT VISOR, SMOOTH for $432 in chrome ! (all rocket style line are 7 ¾†long) shouldn’t have any problems with the stock wiring !
http://www.headwinds.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=headwinds0 1&Product_Code=1-5900SCCA&Category_Code=01010102
Think that would fit the wiring frank ? hell yeah ! nice light ! wow how much ??? ok, ok, did you guys figure out the dia hole you need ? because they only come with a 3/8†dia and in my stock unit, I see just one cable harness that I measured at ½†Dia ? and that’s not counting I think 2 or 3 more blocks going into the back of that stock light ? ok, we will measure it all up and come up with one dia, ok frank, I already talk to Headwinds they can dill a hole up to 1†dia so you have 3/8†up 1†dia, but after they drill, they still must send it out for chrome, we might be talking about 2 weeks lead time, frank !
[font="times new roman"][color=#0000cc][size=3]Ok, s
Ok, here’s how it goes, am at the dealer, ok frank I need a headlight, better get a big one cj, lots of wiring goes in it, yeah I know a lot of crap is loaded in my stock unit, along with that electronic flasher for the LED’s ok, I’ll pick one out, be back in a few days.
After in catalogs on line, one thing I am sticking with, and that’s my 5 ¾†headlight, ok easy, but the only unit I kept going back too see was damn, the one make which years back I first saw (I think in JP cat) I said, who in the hell would ever pay 300 bucks for a headlight housing !!!! ??? come-on 300 bucks ! that’s nuts !!!
Yeah, it’s the Headwinds line, sure they are billet aluminum housings not press out steel, but damn the price ! no I am not spending 300 bucks, oh, no I am spending 430 bucks !!!! I am pretty solid in my views and opinions but flexible enough to change when shown why something maybe be better ! how’s that ? doesn’t that sound like a cop-out now, huh ? : - )
Well the next headlight housing that came in second was going for 250, so the old justifying technique started, well looks like I am going to spend at least 250…… some know what I am talking about : - )
Ok, this light serves two purposes one it’s the one I really like, second it’s length is 7 ¾†long, and 6†in Dia, the model is 1-5900SCCA and name isCONCOURS MARIAH ROCKET HEADLIGHT ASSEMBLY SLASH CUT VISOR, SMOOTH for $432 in chrome ! (all rocket style line are 7 ¾†long) shouldn’t have any problems with the stock wiring !
http://www.headwinds.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=headwinds0 1&Product_Code=1-5900SCCA&Category_Code=01010102
Think that would fit the wiring frank ? hell yeah ! nice light ! wow how much ??? ok, ok, did you guys figure out the dia hole you need ? because they only come with a 3/8†dia and in my stock unit, I see just one cable harness that I measured at ½†Dia ? and that’s not counting I think 2 or 3 more blocks going into the back of that stock light ? ok, we will measure it all up and come up with one dia, ok frank, I already talk to Headwinds they can dill a hole up to 1†dia so you have 3/8†up 1†dia, but after they drill, they still must send it out for chrome, we might be talking about 2 weeks lead time, frank !
[font="times new roman"][color=#0000cc][size=3]Ok, s