Went To A HD Performance Workshop
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From: Stuttgart, Germany
When I started thinking about upgrading my cams I went into my dealer and asked them to discuss this topic WRT the choice of cams I was favoring.
The guy at the parts desk called the mechanic from the workshop who's actually doing most of the cam installs. When I asked him about the SE204s he admitted that he had never installed those or ridden a bike that had them installed. But while discussing my style of riding he agreed that referring to the specs the 204s would be the better choice over the 255s they usually install. Basically a very objective and honest attitude.
Never ever had them mentioning my warranty would void by installing SE performance or aftermarket parts. Even got an offer to extend my warranty by 2 yrs recently.
Here in Germany the manufacturer's warranty is very limited. Actually the one to be held liable is the dealer. If the dealer installs any parts other than the certified OEM parts he juridically becomes the manufacturer (of the custom bike) and will have to cover warranty in any case. So WRT this if the dealer agrees to install a part he will have to grant warranty. That's why I had them install all my parts so far.
The guy at the parts desk called the mechanic from the workshop who's actually doing most of the cam installs. When I asked him about the SE204s he admitted that he had never installed those or ridden a bike that had them installed. But while discussing my style of riding he agreed that referring to the specs the 204s would be the better choice over the 255s they usually install. Basically a very objective and honest attitude.
Never ever had them mentioning my warranty would void by installing SE performance or aftermarket parts. Even got an offer to extend my warranty by 2 yrs recently.
Here in Germany the manufacturer's warranty is very limited. Actually the one to be held liable is the dealer. If the dealer installs any parts other than the certified OEM parts he juridically becomes the manufacturer (of the custom bike) and will have to cover warranty in any case. So WRT this if the dealer agrees to install a part he will have to grant warranty. That's why I had them install all my parts so far.
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From: Columbus, OH
That was my opinion of the dealership where I bought my bike. I went in a few months after i got it asking about some SE slip-ons and a ventilator air cleaner, and a street tuner. I did my homework and was ready to pull the trigger. They suggested I go with a VH Big Shots Staggered exhaust and the Screaming Eagle Pro Super Tuner. I agreed and then went home and started reading some more. Mostly here. When I picked it up I also bought the software and cables to go with my tuner. Rode the bike home and it popped between shifts loud popping on decell and an overall very grumpy sound. I went to work and learned how to use the Smart Tune feature of the SE tuner. The next time I was in I asked them how many Smart Tune runs they did before they gave it back to me, I got a deer in the headlights look and why they had loaded a map for a 103" engine when there was one for a 96", the answer for that was "to make sure you had enough fuel for the open air cleaner and exhaust". That was the last time I let that dealership work on my bike. My conclusion is that while dealerships do have some knowledge of their products it mostly comes from a sales point of view. One company owns three dealerships in my area and people that I have talked to all have varying experiences. I have a friend that had a 120R built at one of the other locations and is very happy with it, but when I start asking questions about his build they don't want to talk to me because it's not my bike. I think your intuitions are right, if they can't answer you questions properly and add to the information you got from the sales pitch/literature then I would move on. what good is a factory warranty on something if you have to keep bringing it back because they don't quite understand what they are selling, pay the right person for the job get it done right and be done with it.
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From: Michigan 15 Minutes East Of Hell
OP ... per your signature ( Screaming Eagle Heavy Breather, V&H 2 into 1, Power Vision, ) ... You've already voided the warranty ( if you find some zealous agent looking for a way to wiggle out of coverage ) with the additions/modifications that you made. You'll find coverage very subjective, to say the least. Given that, you can get much better numbers with proven kits offered by several aftermarket facilities ( like Fuel Moto, Hillside ) at a price much easier on the wallet. Do some research and consider your riding style before jumping off the deep end. Good luck with your project.
Road Master
Joined: Sep 2015
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From: Kane County IL
Here's a Youtube video of that new kit. The numbers look great..... just gotta find a dealership with a good crew to trust working in the shop.
Screamin' Eagle 110 Stage V Tire Shredder Kit - YouTube
Screamin' Eagle 110 Stage V Tire Shredder Kit - YouTube
What about the local Independent shops in your area? Looks like there is a couple...Might be a better choice, go chat with them.
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Road Captain
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From: Edmonton, Alberta
OP ... per your signature ( Screaming Eagle Heavy Breather, V&H 2 into 1, Power Vision, ) ... You've already voided the warranty ( if you find some zealous agent looking for a way to wiggle out of coverage ) with the additions/modifications that you made. You'll find coverage very subjective, to say the least. Given that, you can get much better numbers with proven kits offered by several aftermarket facilities ( like Fuel Moto, Hillside ) at a price much easier on the wallet. Do some research and consider your riding style before jumping off the deep end. Good luck with your project.
I chose to put my faith in a company that has been received fairly positively by most riders and went with Speed Moto. I would love to give them my business with a big bore job too but by the time I factor in the cost conversion, the distance to travel, hotels, fuel, etc... this HD 110 kit starts to look fairly attractive. I just don't know if I can trust a dealership. If anyone here has a positive experience with performance engine work in Alberta, I'm all ears.
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Road Captain
Joined: Nov 2014
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From: Edmonton, Alberta
I've seen plenty of videos of American dealerships installing these kits and showing the dyno runs. It just seems like you boys south of the border get a lil more out of your dealers then we do up here. I guess I was hoping to hear some positive input from someone in Canada when it came to performance work (mostly big bore upgrades) done at their local dealer. Maybe a dealership that knows how to actually "tune" a bike rather than just loading a pre-loaded Harley tune that was engineered for that particular package.... that also has to be used with a HD tuner.
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Cruiser
Joined: Jun 2015
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From: Denver Colorado
Under normal circumstances I would go after market and put the stuff in my self. The fuel moto kit looks really dope. But I bought the bike and put the tire shredder kit street legal one with full exhaust system the one that looks like supertrapp. Let me tell you the thing pulls! Don't know any numbers and I couldn't get fully on it because I road 3 hours in the rain but let me tell you. Worth every penny of the 4600 and to know the whole bike is under warranty is a blessing.
Tourer
Joined: Apr 2015
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From: Central Iowa
Trying to find some specs on this SE Tire Shredder option you guys are talking about. H-D website only has the Stg 1 110ci upgrade kits mentioned. I am about to pull the trigger on the SE 120R motor, but I want to compare performance numbers with this tire shredder kit to see if its worth the extra $.
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