Breakout Stage 1 questions
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From: Stuttgart, Germany
As for the SEPST... If your BO is a European (international) model of the year 2014 and it came with the SEPST right from the dealer it is most likely NOT restricted to the EPA compliance.
My 2014 model was SEPST equipped from the dealer and allows for extensive tuning. It was even dynoed based on the SEPST. The EPA compliance issue only applies to the US and also only for tuner sold later, I guess after the MoCo had been filed in the US for selling the SEPST in.....was it 2016?
For tuning your map with the SEPST you will need a separate Software to be installed on your PC to modify the map/ECM settings, store it to the SEPST and then flash it to the ECM. That's what the manual Bone Doc mentioned refers to. There it says
"The Screamin' Eagle Pro Super Tuner software requires Windows XP (with Service Pack 2) or Vista or above, with all current Windows updates installed. The PC must also have an open USB port..."
You may purchase this software at your dealer. If I remember correctly it once sold at 50,-, but I'm not sure. Please note that "messing" with this software on your own will void a possibly extended warranty.
Not knowing what map has been flashed to your bike you can't tell if the bike is running lean or not or if the map is correct or not. The dealer may not only have flashed a canned map but also adjusted different parameters to get rid of the lean mixture. Plus the ECM is capable to automatically adjust for possible modifications of either the A/C or the exhaust. Usually changing only one does not make your bike run noticeably different but changing both most likely will.
How come you only noticed it is still the stock A/C after stripping it? Usually it's quite obvious.
I would recommend you swap your A/C to the one you like, see what the bike runs like afterwards and if you experience issues you have your dealer adjust the map for you. They have the software, they have the connection cables, they usually should have the skills etc. And in case the bike does not run as you like you have the redo on their own account...
My 2014 model was SEPST equipped from the dealer and allows for extensive tuning. It was even dynoed based on the SEPST. The EPA compliance issue only applies to the US and also only for tuner sold later, I guess after the MoCo had been filed in the US for selling the SEPST in.....was it 2016?
For tuning your map with the SEPST you will need a separate Software to be installed on your PC to modify the map/ECM settings, store it to the SEPST and then flash it to the ECM. That's what the manual Bone Doc mentioned refers to. There it says
"The Screamin' Eagle Pro Super Tuner software requires Windows XP (with Service Pack 2) or Vista or above, with all current Windows updates installed. The PC must also have an open USB port..."
You may purchase this software at your dealer. If I remember correctly it once sold at 50,-, but I'm not sure. Please note that "messing" with this software on your own will void a possibly extended warranty.
Not knowing what map has been flashed to your bike you can't tell if the bike is running lean or not or if the map is correct or not. The dealer may not only have flashed a canned map but also adjusted different parameters to get rid of the lean mixture. Plus the ECM is capable to automatically adjust for possible modifications of either the A/C or the exhaust. Usually changing only one does not make your bike run noticeably different but changing both most likely will.
How come you only noticed it is still the stock A/C after stripping it? Usually it's quite obvious.
I would recommend you swap your A/C to the one you like, see what the bike runs like afterwards and if you experience issues you have your dealer adjust the map for you. They have the software, they have the connection cables, they usually should have the skills etc. And in case the bike does not run as you like you have the redo on their own account...
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From: Bournemouth United Kingdom
The general consensus in the UK is that you can fit after-market zorsts OR a heavy breather without retune. To fit both you need to retune. Harley-Davidsons as stated run their engines lean to meet emissions running it leaner still without a retune can be expensive as the rear cylinder will take the battering with the heat.
Vance and Hines FP3 has an auto tune feature that should sort any issues out. My 17 CVO Breakout has a Screaming Eagle Pro Tune Stage 1 which answers the question previously if they still market the Pro Tunes. With the SEPST that's why they give you the orange box of tricks but no leads so that you are not tempted to mess with it unnecessarily or bugger it up. Let the dealers sort it would be my advice.
Vance and Hines FP3 has an auto tune feature that should sort any issues out. My 17 CVO Breakout has a Screaming Eagle Pro Tune Stage 1 which answers the question previously if they still market the Pro Tunes. With the SEPST that's why they give you the orange box of tricks but no leads so that you are not tempted to mess with it unnecessarily or bugger it up. Let the dealers sort it would be my advice.
Last edited by K9F; Jan 17, 2017 at 07:40 AM.
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From: Stuttgart, Germany
The general consensus in the UK is that you can fit after-market zorsts OR a heavy breather without retune. To fit both you need to retune.
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My 17 CVO Breakout has a Screaming Eagle Pro Tune Stage 1 which answers the question previously if they still market the Pro Tunes. With the SEPST that's why they give you the orange box of tricks but no leads so that you are not tempted to mess with it unnecessarily or bugger it up. Let the dealers sort it would be my advice.
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My 17 CVO Breakout has a Screaming Eagle Pro Tune Stage 1 which answers the question previously if they still market the Pro Tunes. With the SEPST that's why they give you the orange box of tricks but no leads so that you are not tempted to mess with it unnecessarily or bugger it up. Let the dealers sort it would be my advice.
Tourer
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From: Western New York
Read up on the tuner. If it's the orange super pro tuner, I would not recommend stepping back and going with the fuelpack, which is an inferior device in regards to the parameters and adjustments that it allows. I would head to the tuning section and read through the pinned threads on using the HD tuner, that will get you started. You'll be able to see what map is on your bike when you get the cables. The software is a free download from HD, you don't have to pay for it as previously stated in this thread.
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From: Stuttgart, Germany
Read up on the tuner. If it's the orange super pro tuner, I would not recommend stepping back and going with the fuelpack, which is an inferior device in regards to the parameters and adjustments that it allows. I would head to the tuning section and read through the pinned threads on using the HD tuner, that will get you started. You'll be able to see what map is on your bike when you get the cables. The software is a free download from HD, you don't have to pay for it as previously stated in this thread.
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I have the software downloaded onto my laptop already,which indeed is free.
I confirmed with the supplying dealer that the bike has had a stage 1 flash upgrade,although it was only fitted with a new exhaust system. They told me the BO come with a heavy
breather element from the factory, I will be fitting the new Performance machines cone filter kit next week.
Still undecided whether I should spend Ł50
on the cables or not.
I confirmed with the supplying dealer that the bike has had a stage 1 flash upgrade,although it was only fitted with a new exhaust system. They told me the BO come with a heavy
breather element from the factory, I will be fitting the new Performance machines cone filter kit next week.
Still undecided whether I should spend Ł50
on the cables or not.
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Joined: Nov 2013
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From: Stuttgart, Germany
I have the software downloaded onto my laptop already,which indeed is free.
I confirmed with the supplying dealer that the bike has had a stage 1 flash upgrade,although it was only fitted with a new exhaust system. They told me the BO come with a heavy
breather element from the factory, I will be fitting the new Performance machines cone filter kit next week.
Still undecided whether I should spend Ł50
on the cables or not.
I confirmed with the supplying dealer that the bike has had a stage 1 flash upgrade,although it was only fitted with a new exhaust system. They told me the BO come with a heavy
breather element from the factory, I will be fitting the new Performance machines cone filter kit next week.
Still undecided whether I should spend Ł50
on the cables or not.
Tourer
Joined: Feb 2016
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From: Western New York
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OP: If the bike runs fine and you don't want to "tinker" with it, then don't worry about the cables and just ride. If you want to use the smart tune feature and dial in the tune and adjust your A/F ratios, then the cables would be a good investment.
OP: If the bike runs fine and you don't want to "tinker" with it, then don't worry about the cables and just ride. If you want to use the smart tune feature and dial in the tune and adjust your A/F ratios, then the cables would be a good investment.
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OP: If the bike runs fine and you don't want to "tinker" with it, then don't worry about the cables and just ride. If you want to use the smart tune feature and dial in the tune and adjust your A/F ratios, then the cables would be a good investment.
OP: If the bike runs fine and you don't want to "tinker" with it, then don't worry about the cables and just ride. If you want to use the smart tune feature and dial in the tune and adjust your A/F ratios, then the cables would be a good investment.
Tourer
Joined: Feb 2016
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From: Western New York
Yeah I'd like to re tune with some recordings to ensure I have a good tune and fuel mixture,but knowing the dealer has already put a stage 1 flash into my bike,I think I'll fit it and see how it goes. Plus the cables are ridiculously priced here. Ł50 is a bit steep.