Question on pipes on Softail deluxe
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Question on pipes on Softail deluxe
I bought a 2017 Softail deluxe. I am having the Vance & Hines big shot slip on's installed. I did this because the dealer said removing the head would void the warranty. I have since learned that the cats are in the mufflers on this bike, which makes no sense to me as far as warranty is concerned. I'm also having the Harley Davidson Street tuner installed along with their different air cleaner to complete the stage one. My question is, if I go with the Vance and Hines header will it lower the pipes below my rear foot peg or will they remain as they are stock with the foot peg is between the pipes? I am thinking the parts man was thinking the catalytic converter was in the header pipe. I have no problem going with the slip on's since the cat is not in the header, but I would rather use the different header if it lowers the both pipes below my rear foot peg. Trying to get this determined before I call my dealer back. Thx
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Google those pipes on their images link and see what shows up, pics always show more.
I would try Vance and Hines web site also, I have a 16 Deluxe and went with the V&H staggered slip on's with quite baffles, and the FP-3 for fuel management. yes the cat,s are in the stock mufflers.
I would try Vance and Hines web site also, I have a 16 Deluxe and went with the V&H staggered slip on's with quite baffles, and the FP-3 for fuel management. yes the cat,s are in the stock mufflers.
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Here's the question more to the point I don't think I was clear. The dealer said they would not replace the header as it would void the warranty, that led me to believe that the catalytic converter it was in the header. I think the service guy was thinking I had a M8 motor. The pictures I've seen with the full V&H exhaust system show the tailpipes both being below the rear passenger peg. The stock headers run one pipe above and one pipe below the passenger peg, so if I stay with stock header I presume that's the way the slip on mufflers will be positioned? I was wondering if I replace the header with the Vance and Hines header is it designed to ride lower, with both pipes below rear peg.
I am going to call my dealer back and explain to them that the converter's will be removed with the mufflers in any case so if the new headers would lower the pipes to both be position below the peg that's what I want to do. I am guessing I can add the headers later amd the slip on's can be applied or is the Vance and Hines exhaust system all one piece?
I am going to call my dealer back and explain to them that the converter's will be removed with the mufflers in any case so if the new headers would lower the pipes to both be position below the peg that's what I want to do. I am guessing I can add the headers later amd the slip on's can be applied or is the Vance and Hines exhaust system all one piece?
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According to HD the headers have to stay stock to keep the warranty on the 17's. The cat on a softail is in the mufflers. Here is a link to the V&H page for 2:2 systems.
http://products.vanceandhines.com/se...ures=blueproof
If you were to change out the headers now you would lose your warranty. It all depends how much value you place on that.
http://products.vanceandhines.com/se...ures=blueproof
If you were to change out the headers now you would lose your warranty. It all depends how much value you place on that.
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According to HD the headers have to stay stock to keep the warranty on the 17's. The cat on a softail is in the mufflers. Here is a link to the V&H page for 2:2 systems.
http://products.vanceandhines.com/se...ures=blueproof
If you were to change out the headers now you would lose your warranty. It all depends how much value you place on that.
http://products.vanceandhines.com/se...ures=blueproof
If you were to change out the headers now you would lose your warranty. It all depends how much value you place on that.
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I still think denying warranty on a motorcycle without proving the modification is the cause of the failure is a violation of the MM Warranty act.
What it needs is for one of the larger manufacturers of aftermarket equipment or SEMA to help with a class action against the EPA.
That said, removing the catalytic converters is already a violation of federal emission law.
I would expect a dealer to refuse to replace mufflers containing catalytic converters with mufflers not containing catalytic converters.
I also don’t see anything in the consent degree relating to anything other than tuners.
What it needs is for one of the larger manufacturers of aftermarket equipment or SEMA to help with a class action against the EPA.
That said, removing the catalytic converters is already a violation of federal emission law.
I would expect a dealer to refuse to replace mufflers containing catalytic converters with mufflers not containing catalytic converters.
I also don’t see anything in the consent degree relating to anything other than tuners.
14.
Denial of Warranty.
a.
Defendants shall deny all warranty claims for functional defects of powertrain components for any Harley-Davidson vehicle (Model Year 2017 or later) registered in the United States, if any Defendants have any information to show that such vehicle was tuned using a Tuning Product that was not covered by a California ARB Executive Order or otherwise approved by EPA.
b.
Defendants shall instruct Harley-Davidson dealers to deny such warranty claims where any Defendant or any Harley-Davidson dealer has any such information.
c.
No later than December 31, 2016, Defendants shall ensure that their warranty policies and product literature state that Defendants will deny warranty claims for functional defects of powertrain components for any Harley-Davidson vehicle, Model Year 2017 or later, that was tuned using a Tuning Product that was not covered by a California ARB Executive Order, or otherwise approved by EPA.
Denial of Warranty.
a.
Defendants shall deny all warranty claims for functional defects of powertrain components for any Harley-Davidson vehicle (Model Year 2017 or later) registered in the United States, if any Defendants have any information to show that such vehicle was tuned using a Tuning Product that was not covered by a California ARB Executive Order or otherwise approved by EPA.
b.
Defendants shall instruct Harley-Davidson dealers to deny such warranty claims where any Defendant or any Harley-Davidson dealer has any such information.
c.
No later than December 31, 2016, Defendants shall ensure that their warranty policies and product literature state that Defendants will deny warranty claims for functional defects of powertrain components for any Harley-Davidson vehicle, Model Year 2017 or later, that was tuned using a Tuning Product that was not covered by a California ARB Executive Order, or otherwise approved by EPA.
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I still think denying warranty on a motorcycle without proving the modification is the cause of the failure is a violation of the MM Warranty act.
What it needs is for one of the larger manufacturers of aftermarket equipment or SEMA to help with a class action against the EPA.
That said, removing the catalytic converters is already a violation of federal emission law.
I would expect a dealer to refuse to replace mufflers containing catalytic converters with mufflers not containing catalytic converters.
I also dont see anything in the consent degree relating to anything other than tuners.
What it needs is for one of the larger manufacturers of aftermarket equipment or SEMA to help with a class action against the EPA.
That said, removing the catalytic converters is already a violation of federal emission law.
I would expect a dealer to refuse to replace mufflers containing catalytic converters with mufflers not containing catalytic converters.
I also dont see anything in the consent degree relating to anything other than tuners.