07 engines running hot ???
ORIGINAL: Spike_96
OK, get a pot of water on and satisfy my curiosity too.
ORIGINAL: tunaman
From some of the posts I`ve seen, the guages aren`t typically that far off either. I`ve never done the boiling pot test, but may have to do so to satisfy my curiosity now... we have a good cooking thermometer that I can use for comparison.
Roger
From some of the posts I`ve seen, the guages aren`t typically that far off either. I`ve never done the boiling pot test, but may have to do so to satisfy my curiosity now... we have a good cooking thermometer that I can use for comparison.
Roger
OK, so while not real scientific, I'm satisfied with the results of my testing. First, I took a cook pan with water, and heated it to just a bit under boiling. I put in the meat thermometer and let it come full temp, and it read 194. I then put my HD digital oil temp dipstick in and let it come full temp, and it read 192.6. I then put the digital meat thermometer back in and it reached 189.8. Allowing for some cooling (didn't keep the flame on \\;during testing) it was certainly within tolerance.
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I then took the bike for a ride to warm up the oil, and got it up to 224. I put the digital meat thermometer into the oil and it topped out at 222. I then put the digital oil dipstick back in, and it topped out at 219.
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For me, that satisfies my curiosity and lets me know that the guage is close enough for my purposes. Realizing that I didn't test the more extreme upper ranges and that there could conceivably be more skew at higher ranges, seeing that it was pretty spot-on at two ranges 30 degrees apart leads me to believe that it would probably be close enough. I may try again \\;after a really hot ride, but for now I trust it to be pretty close to accurate.
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Roger
From Nightrider's Customer service...
HD published in the Fall 2006 Enthusiast magazine that you can put exhaust/ac upgrades on the TC96 bikes, get a 7-11% improvement in power and not remap the EFI. This is right from the horses mouth. So you can just put on the pipes/ac without doing anything else.[/align]  \\;[/align] This type of upgrade works because of the O2 sensors. They keep the fuel mixture constant in closed loop no matter what changes are made to the engine. Since closed loop covers under 4000RPM and under 50% throttle, this is 95-98% of your riding. While you can add a couple of HP to the 100% throttle power by using a PCIII, you spend so little time there that it doesn't make good economic sense to do this.[/align]  \\;[/align] I recommend that after riders change their exhaust/ac, they ride the bike to see how it performs. If you decide that you want some additional heat reduction and improved throttle response, then consider other add-ons like the XiED (or PCIII, etc). You should do no more to your bike that absolutely required to handle your average riding conditions.[/align]  \\;[/align] Some riders find they are quite happy with no EFI upgrades at all. Many rider prefer the simplicity and low cost of the XiED. There are a few riders that want to get every little bit of power from their bikes and are willing to spend the $350-$1000 to get advanced tuning capabilities from a PCIII, SERT or similar.[/align]
HD published in the Fall 2006 Enthusiast magazine that you can put exhaust/ac upgrades on the TC96 bikes, get a 7-11% improvement in power and not remap the EFI. This is right from the horses mouth. So you can just put on the pipes/ac without doing anything else.[/align]  \\;[/align] This type of upgrade works because of the O2 sensors. They keep the fuel mixture constant in closed loop no matter what changes are made to the engine. Since closed loop covers under 4000RPM and under 50% throttle, this is 95-98% of your riding. While you can add a couple of HP to the 100% throttle power by using a PCIII, you spend so little time there that it doesn't make good economic sense to do this.[/align]  \\;[/align] I recommend that after riders change their exhaust/ac, they ride the bike to see how it performs. If you decide that you want some additional heat reduction and improved throttle response, then consider other add-ons like the XiED (or PCIII, etc). You should do no more to your bike that absolutely required to handle your average riding conditions.[/align]  \\;[/align] Some riders find they are quite happy with no EFI upgrades at all. Many rider prefer the simplicity and low cost of the XiED. There are a few riders that want to get every little bit of power from their bikes and are willing to spend the $350-$1000 to get advanced tuning capabilities from a PCIII, SERT or similar.[/align]
Put a quialty 100% true \\;sny oil in the darn thing and ride.
ALL air cooled engines run hot my new 96cc does not run that much hotter than my 88 does.
They are made to run in that temp zone. It will not melt
ALL air cooled engines run hot my new 96cc does not run that much hotter than my 88 does.
They are made to run in that temp zone. It will not melt
At work we have the 110's in our Traffic bikes. They \\;seem to do well. A few officers bought heat shields to help when sitting at idle in traffic. They must be worst than the 96's for heat...
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Hi all,
If you follow the link to Nightrider there is a very good explanation to this problem as a quick fix they recomend changing the O2 sensors as they say the Harley supplied sensors band is to narrow, anyway have a look at the report and decide for yourself,
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http://www.nightrider.com/biketech/hd2007HD_heat_00.htm
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Hi all,
If you follow the link to Nightrider there is a very good explanation to this problem as a quick fix they recomend changing the O2 sensors as they say the Harley supplied sensors band is to narrow, anyway have a look at the report and decide for yourself,
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http://www.nightrider.com/biketech/hd2007HD_heat_00.htm
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