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Old Nov 18, 2024 | 12:41 AM
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I lost the key fob to my 2001 FLSTFI. My solution is to replace the 68923-00 TSSM with a TSM which I'm assuming would eliminate the need for a fob. Apparently that p/n is 68921-01. They seem to be hard to find but there are a lot of 68921-07. Can I use this later model TSM? Or does anyone have a better idea. Buy a new fob maybe?
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Just an opinion but if you can get a FOB, leave well enough alone. And I sure hope alarm is not set. And you know the pin.

Here is some interesting reading that may help. Been putting a folder together since parts are no longer available.

Please update this thread when you solve the issue.


 

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Originally Posted by flhxi
Hi,
I lost the key fob to my 2001 FLSTFI. My solution is to replace the 68923-00 TSSM with a TSM which I'm assuming would eliminate the need for a fob. Apparently that p/n is 68921-01. They seem to be hard to find but there are a lot of 68921-07. Can I use this later model TSM? Or does anyone have a better idea. Buy a new fob maybe?
Thanks,
Wayne

The current HD online parts finder shows the TSSM for your year/model as #68923-00D TSM, which is "not available". It shows the current TSM as #68921-01D, which is also "Not Available". It doesn't show the #68921-07, which has a different suffix number, for your year/model. The same part #, with a different suffix number, means something was changed. If the changes were compatible with the older models, they would show it as a replacement part number on the online parts finder. Because it's not listed as a replacement part number for the '01, that strongly suggests it won't work in your system.

Is your alarm activated? If your alarm is not activated, you really don't need the FOB.

Unless your TSSM was acting up and failing, IMHO, it would be easiest to just get another FOB and then perform the key FOB assignment procedure at your convenience.. The FOBs are no longer available either, so you will have to find a reasonably priced used one on eBay. There are several New Old Stock (NOS) FOBs for your year/model on eBay #68926-00, but the sellers are pretty greedy. They are asking 4x and 5x the price Harley charged for the FOBs when they were available. I'd wait and take a chance on a used one.

I have an '01 & '03, both with a TSSM. Domestic OEM TSSM modules are active not passive. That means they need to be manually activated and deactivated...

I have not used my FOBs or activated the alarm on those two bikes in about 3 or 4 years.

Good luck and let us know what you decide to do and how it works out for you...
 
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Thanks for your feedback. To be honest with you, the story I shared was the short one. The long story is I lost my key FOB somewhere in the garage. I rolled it out of the garage one day quite a while ago and the starter wouldn't engage but the blinkers were flashing (it doesn't have an alarm). I went looking for the key and couldn't find it. I rolled it back in the garage and with blinkers no longer blinking it started up just fine. I searched every square inch of that garage and could not find the key. I parked it. I have another bike. Fast forward to recently and I went online to look for a new key FOB per your feedback. Found one but before I hit 'Buy it Now' I went out to the garage and fired up the bike. I then rolled it out of the garage and with no blinkers flashing this time it fired right up albeit the red security key on the speedo was illuminated. I turned it off and rolled it out to the end of the driveway, some 40 feet away, and it fired right up again. What the heck!
 
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Thanks for your feedback. To be honest with you, the story I shared was the short one. The long story is I lost my key FOB somewhere in the garage. I rolled it out of the garage one day quite a while ago and the starter wouldn't engage but the blinkers were flashing (it doesn't have an alarm). I went looking for the key and couldn't find it. I rolled it back in the garage and with blinkers no longer blinking it started up just fine. I searched every square inch of that garage and could not find the key. I parked it. I have another bike. Fast forward to recently and I went online to look for a new key FOB per your feedback. Found one but before I hit 'Buy it Now' I went out to the garage and fired up the bike. I then rolled it out of the garage and with no blinkers flashing this time it fired right up albeit the red security key on the speedo was illuminated. I turned it off and rolled it out to the end of the driveway, some 40 feet away, and it fired right up again. What the heck!

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if you didn't have an alarm, you wouldn't have a FOB for the bike. Your FOB should have had the button in the middle, unless it wasn't the OEM alarm for your bike.

The starter not engaging and blinkers flashing is the sign of an activated alarm doing its thing.

It's possible the alarm wasn't activated, but the battery was low when you got the "alarm activation".... Weak batteries can cause all sorts of electrical gremlins...
 

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I guess when you say alarm I think a siren of some sort and I don't have that. My FOB did have a button in the middle so I guess the alarm was the blinkers and not starting. It could have very well been a low battery issue.
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Some Fob's have a proximity activation system - I have no idea if that could be the issue but I would be looking for that Fob in that area you were coming in and out of.
The flashing signals and not starter mean that the system was active and working - Being further away and the bike starting means it was not active, at that time.
 
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I guess when you say alarm I think a siren of some sort and I don't have that.

My FOB did have a button in the middle so I guess the alarm was the blinkers and not starting.

It could have very well been a low battery issue.
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Yes, the siren is an option. You can have the TSSM (security) without the siren.

Without a siren, all you will notice is the blinkers flashing and the starter not working...

Hopefully it was just a low battery condition... can't think of anything else that would cause that glitch, but I'm not an electrical guru..

Make sure you have a good battery, or you could get stranded out on the road
 
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Originally Posted by MarlinSpike
Some Fob's have a proximity activation system - I have no idea if that could be the issue but I would be looking for that Fob in that area you were coming in and out of.
The flashing signals and not starter mean that the system was active and working - Being further away and the bike starting means it was not active, at that time.

FYI... the international models in the early years of the Twin Cams, had automatic (passive) activation and so had proximity FOBs, but not the domestic models... I believe the international also had the button for manual (active) deactivation of the alarm.. But I could be remembering that wrong.

For the domestic models, the FOB had a button, and it needs to be manually activated and deactivated. With or without the security activated, the TSSM doesn't know, or care, where the FOB is. There is no communication between the two without that FOB button being pushed.

I believe it was 2007 when the "hands free" HFSM security modules were introduced on the domestic models. They have the proximity FOBs, no button, and both the passive activation and deactivation
 

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