Have you tried anything yet with any success?

 

While Ur right in most/some case the OP said he's running Shell 93 and probably stock plugs.. which is and should be about as good as their is..


If U still getting ping,, then U need to look at engine timing events.

What I don't know is,, Why do U have a STG1 download and a Fuel Pak..


Those two may be working against each other?????? causing the issue..

most do either the download or the FP....not both...

Ask the tuner at Ur dealership or the rep at V&H's.... to see what they think about using both together.

OR,, U might try taking the FP off and see how Ur motor runs since U already have the download.. it may be better..



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Oct1949

I have no idea about EFI and so forth but am going by what the dealer has told me. I also am in touch with Vance and Hines on this.
It has been pouring rain here in Ohio for about 5 days now and I haven't been able to change the settings as Vance and Hines recommended yet to see, but I called the dealer in Xenia yesterday and they got rude with me and told me they would have to put the bike on the dyno and charge me for an hour to make sure the timing was kicking in at low and high spots. They just had this bike not to long ago on the dyno and said everything was perfect but now they want to do it again? Hmmm I told them no and called the dealership where I bought the bike and the tech there told me that if I had a timing problem like what the other was trying to suggest, I would be having difficulties starting, or other problems. He said its not so much as one thing as its a combination of 2 things and its AFR to Combustion and he also said that there is no adjustment for timing issues becuase the ecm takes care of that and if I wanted to tune in the afr to combustion then I would have to get either a power commander or a sert and then dyno the bike. He also said that with the fuelpak and my setup I should be able to get the ping out of it with the right combination of afr . I was told at the Xenia Harley dealership that they put in the rich map for my bike when they had it. My bike is still under warranty till 2014 and I would hate to mess it up by ping. I bought the bike at Mid-Ohio Harley with everything it has on it. I like the bike and it runs really well. This is all I know at this time.

Thanks for any advice all you guys have.

Greg A.

 

Ok this is getting frustrationg with the dealership in Xenia.
I took the seat off and took the fuelpak cover off and was going to change the modes that V&H said to change per the FP-1385 settings and found out that the dealership changed the FP to a stock FP setting for FP-0830 which is fine if they have a rich map already in the ecm. Called them and the service manager said they didn't change anything, all they did was put the bike on the dyno and it said the afr was perfect for the set up it has. I told him that the guy who done the dyno told me different. He said by the lof what the guy wrote down they didn't do anything. I am positive that the guy who done the Dyno called me and said my bike had the wrong map in it and he put a rich map in it for me and adjusted the f/p to make it perfect. But I have to be sure of the map that is downloaded in it right now in order to get V7H recommendation to change what settings for the FP value it has. The guy from the Xenia dealership said I could take it to any Harley dealer by me and they would check it and let me know which one it has.
What a bunch of bull.

Greg

 

The dealer sets the AFR when dyno'ing your bike to match EPA requirements (unless they have no fear of losing their license, federal lawsuit, etc). EPA AFR requirements are too lean for stage 1 and hot weather. Do not let a dealer touch your bike for tuning. You have O2 sensors so the ECM tries to autoadjust a certain amount. I am not sure how the V&H fuelpak accomodates this, but Oct 1949 is right. If you want to dyno your bike (really shouldn't be necessary) then you need to replace the ECM with an aftermarket autotune product. Otherwise, you get a compromise which matches your expenditure and a dyno is just a waste of money with piggy back fuel enrichers.

 

Ok here is an update on what I found out at the dealership.
The bike has the latest STOCK ecm map. They said since I only have a high flow air cleaner and V&H propipe BP exhaust, and no cam upgrade I do not go with a stage 1 map as it will mess the AFR up and may lose HP and torque. I told him thats not my worry, its the ping issue and what the dealership had done was use the STOCK Vance & Hines Fuelpak mode values which is FP-0830 but they moved mode 1 value from 0 to 6 and mode 2 value from 6 to 12. The rest is the same. Now I wrote in to Vance and Hines and told them all that I know and am waiting on their suggestions to rid of the ping. Also the dealership said that if I ran the stage1 fuelpak values, the bike would not run correctly.
I am going on everyones knowledge and expert opinions right now.

Thank you,
Greg Agee

 

Greg: You need to either find a new dealership or an independent shop. IMHO (which is not worth much) you are running too lean. Find a shop that is not frightened of Al Gore and the EPA and get it tuned by a pro. Besides, a bit more fuel will help with engine temps too.

 

Ok I just got an email from Joe at Vance and Hines and he said since I have a stock setup other than exhaust and a filter, that I do need a stock ecm map along with a stock FP value that is adjustable. This is the adjustments that he said to make on mode 5 the value is set at 4 and he wants it to be 7, on mode 6 the value is set at 0 and he wants it to be 3, and on mode 10 the value is set at 0 and he wants it to be 7 , on mode 11 the value is set at -8 and he wants it to be 0, and on mode 12 the value is set at -10 and he wants it to be 0.
Thats quite a bit of increase on some of those modes. I am going to try it but the temps in Ohio have dropped again and that seems to have an effect on the ping when its hot out.

Thanks everyone for all the comments and guidance. I need it LOL

Greg A.

 

WOW
Ok guys, I made the changes that Vance & Hines told me to make on the fuelpak and its modes and wow the performance difference was incredible. It has more torque and quick throttle response. Now I drove the bike yesterday for 1.5 hrs and it was 83 degrees out and I ran it and then I let it putt around to get warm and I didn't notice any ping at all, but what I do notice is that when I have ran it for a little while and like in 6th gear and 50 mph and then come to a stop, the idle seems like it might be a hair higher than it was, but after sitting just a little bit it seems to idle down a little. But I didn't feel as much heat off the back cylinder it seemed like and the performance was unreal. Now did I get it hot enough, I have no idea, but I think I did. Will have to ride a little more to see what its doing.

Any advice or comments are appreciated.

Greg Agee

 

Sounds like you either have it fixed, or are well on your way. Glad to hear you're running better. I'd say you're getting a little more fuel to it if the bike seems cooler, so hopefully that was your only problem. Keep us updated...