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Old Jun 27, 2013 | 02:27 PM
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I thought the concept was already clear enough for most people. Sometimes you need to be able to change 100 different parameters, or a thousand different cells in a tune, and sometimes you don't. On my supercharged vehicles, that kind of flexibility is necessary. But if I could accomplish what was needed with an inexpensive plug-in device which only required about 10 minutes of my time, that would be a logical first choice, maybe even the smartest and most elegant one, depending on how you look at it. If you associate unneeded expense and complexity with superiority, you probably won't agree.
From experience with multiple bikes and LOTS of wasted dollars on half-assed band aids... I associate a better running engine with a real tuner. It's really that simple. If you associate plugging a tuner into a connector and pushing two or three touch screen "buttons" with complexity, you probably won't agree.
 
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Old Jun 27, 2013 | 03:55 PM
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From experience with multiple bikes and LOTS of wasted dollars on half-assed band aids... I associate a better running engine with a real tuner. It's really that simple.
Sorry to hear that you got sucked in multiple times by half-assed products. I've done somewhat better, by trying to understand what I needed, and what the products were really capable of, before purchase.
 
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Old Jun 27, 2013 | 05:08 PM
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Sorry to hear that you got sucked in multiple times by half-assed products. I've done somewhat better, by trying to understand what I needed, and what the products were really capable of, before purchase.
No need to be sorry. My income is more than sufficient to actually purchase and experiment with the half-assed stuff as well as the good stuff. This enables me to base my comments on fact and experience versus trusting what someone else has written on the internet. I rather enjoy the opportunity to experiment with stuff (good and bad) to see if it really performs as claimed.
 
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Old Jun 27, 2013 | 05:45 PM
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No need to be sorry. My income is more than sufficient to actually purchase and experiment with the half-assed stuff as well as the good stuff. This enables me to base my comments on fact and experience versus trusting what someone else has written on the internet. I rather enjoy the opportunity to experiment with stuff (good and bad) to see if it really performs as claimed.
My income will enable that as well. But I have a more encompassing personal ethic, which proscribes not wasting money when it's not necessary.
If one wants to spend money on the entertainment of progressing through multiple steps, rather than cutting to the bottom line as soon as possible, I understand that. What can be hugely valuable is understanding the differences.
 

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Old Jun 27, 2013 | 06:31 PM
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My income will enable that as well. But I have a more encompassing personal ethic, which proscribes not wasting money when it's not necessary.
If one wants to spend money on the entertainment of progressing through multiple steps, rather than cutting to the bottom line as soon as possible, I understand that. What can be hugely valuable is understanding the differences.
Why yes... yes of course it's better to cut to the bottom line before obtaining all the data necessary to make an informed, logical decision... No apologies... I just don't understand your illogical way of looking at technology.
 
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Old Jun 27, 2013 | 08:36 PM
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Why yes... yes of course it's better to cut to the bottom line before obtaining all the data necessary to make an informed, logical decision... No apologies... I just don't understand your illogical way of looking at technology.
Might I recommend obtaining most of the data, before attempting to cut to the bottom line? Repeating other people's mistakes is one way to learn. But if you study up, you probably don't need to waste a lot of time and energy refining a square wheel into a round one. Unless you're doing it for entertainment, which is OK too.
 
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Old Jun 28, 2013 | 03:32 PM
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I love you both, but my question is which one of you can **** over the cross bar on a goalpost?

Different strokes etc.
 
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Old Jun 28, 2013 | 03:43 PM
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I love you both, but my question is which one of you can **** over the cross bar on a goalpost?

Different strokes etc.
I'm pretty sure my 52 year old pee pump is too weak to pull off a field goal!

I just enjoy the entertainment value of arguing with charter members of the "Last Word Society". It's almost as fun as watching 3 Stooges reruns.
 
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Old Jun 28, 2013 | 07:51 PM
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I just enjoy the entertainment value of arguing with charter members of the "Last Word Society". It's almost as fun as watching 3 Stooges reruns.
If you shave extra close, and put on a dress, I might let you spank me.
 
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Old Jun 29, 2013 | 07:33 PM
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If you shave extra close, and put on a dress, I might let you spank me.
No thanks. But judging from your avatar... I suspect you know quite a lot about sheep F*(#$ng, cross dressing, and God knows what else.
 
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