95 cu in screaming eagle big bore kit
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From: iowa
yes i was expecting a lil bit higher numbers as well.... BUT i know for a fact my pipes are hurting those numbers... and as TBONE said its his ride and his opertunity to splurge on himself.... so if he wants to spend a couple hundred bucks on his heads after they are back from diamond for the show cut... im all for it........ oh wait i already did that too....
thats the nice part of being single and kids out of the house.... eventually i will have everything done on my deuce as well for my daughter and her family to enjoy without having to buy anything for it. Have we went overboard on the $$$........ yup but its our money and our rides to customize and make em our own and not meet a twin while out riding. And i know the above is in Tonys plans as well.
Tony and myself have basically the same motor components.( tony actually helped me decid on cams) the only real difference is i still have a 5 speed vs his 6 speed.
thats the nice part of being single and kids out of the house.... eventually i will have everything done on my deuce as well for my daughter and her family to enjoy without having to buy anything for it. Have we went overboard on the $$$........ yup but its our money and our rides to customize and make em our own and not meet a twin while out riding. And i know the above is in Tonys plans as well.
Tony and myself have basically the same motor components.( tony actually helped me decid on cams) the only real difference is i still have a 5 speed vs his 6 speed.
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Next time you get the chance to splurge on yourself Dude, I would seriously look into a 6 speed. It just really changes the complexities of the bike and how you ride. Do you have too, do you need too??? No, but it's like hoping on a brand new version of your old bike. It has gotten to where that is in the top best 3 mods on this bike. It's a "new fun" all over again. It also drops everything down which is less stress on all the moving parts. That ads life. I know many will respond and dispute that and that's ok too.
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From: iowa
the next splurge will be the shotgun shock.... the new chromed deuce wheel, pulley and rotor were installed last week and the lizard lights this week along with the hyper pro R charger.... still have a few other lil things, but the next 2 or 3 things will be the shotgun,different bars with internals and a 2:1 pipe that i like the sound of.....
as for those that disagree about a particular mod Tony its really irrelevant as its what you want to do and pay for..... thats my opinion and my money. lol and actually for what amount of money we have in these scoots what the hell is a couple more..... thousand right lol
as for those that disagree about a particular mod Tony its really irrelevant as its what you want to do and pay for..... thats my opinion and my money. lol and actually for what amount of money we have in these scoots what the hell is a couple more..... thousand right lol
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Sorry Dude! I don't know why but for a 2nd there I thought you already had the SS but then when you said that I remember that you don't because you wanted to ride mine to see how you liked it. I'm getting old and that really does suck, I don't remember **** anymore!!!
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Yeah, I got all that and understand the variety of performance options available for the TC motor but the old wives tale still holds true; bigger is better, up to a point and displacement. Regardless of how a motor is modified, all other things being equal, the bigger motor wins; go big or go home.
Should you wish to bone up on automotive engineering, and the latest junk on making power, we could begin to have a serious conversation.
For others:
Aside from mechanical strength to withstand power and rpms, the ability of an engine to produce power is basically limited by the oxygen available to efficiently burn the fuel. There are lots of different proven strategies for providing more available oxygen, including compressing the intake air, and mixing air with fuel in the combustion chamber in such a way that more of it is used efficiently to produce power, rather than spitting a large portion of the fuel out the exhaust.
One example of bigger isn't always better:
An acquaintance bored and stroked his 440 Chrysler engine to 505 cubic inches. There was no increase in power (dyno tested). The peak power simply moved lower in the rpm range.
Funny thing is that this guy had put the parts and machining into the engine to run 8000 rpm reliably. But the engine made peak power at only 4500 rpm.
Making peak power at 4500 rpm could be good or bad, depending on how you look at it, but the bottom line was that he spent a bunch of money for no power improvement. Duh. Shoulda studied up a little.
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From: iowa
warp: what your saying is the same as i said earlier. power is made thru the cam,intake and heads, primarily. but cubes do help as well. now as for your buddies mopar, i would say he has definately the wrong cam grind for the power band he wants. IMO you cant blame that on cubes, because he chose wrong cam. Also i could have went bigger cubes as well when my motor was down, but to me that decreases reliability as well as opens another door to keep goin more and more when over 100 hp and torque is ENOUGH on any harley in my opinion.
Also as i had told Tbone earlier in pm, port n polish is fine.... BUT it can also hinder performance as the molecules need some disturbance to bond with fuel/air together
Also as i had told Tbone earlier in pm, port n polish is fine.... BUT it can also hinder performance as the molecules need some disturbance to bond with fuel/air together
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My 502 Chevy engine (slightly smaller displacement, but with better heads) with a similar cam, made about two hundred more horsepower on the same dyno.
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From: iowa
exactly the other aspects to compliment the cubes.... same with your buddies motor....
there are alot of ways to get the power, hell look at the naturally aspirated 4 and 6 cyl cars nowadays, have as much hp and torque as an v8 of the mid 70's-80s
there are alot of ways to get the power, hell look at the naturally aspirated 4 and 6 cyl cars nowadays, have as much hp and torque as an v8 of the mid 70's-80s
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From: Detroit
Yup. The point I was trying to make is that "bigger is better", these days, is a little like claiming that the moon is made of cheese.
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No disrespect to the last two posts but comparing the performance capabilities of todays automotive power plants to a 100 year old tractor power plant is ridiculous. You are comparing power plants that rely on metallurgy, extremely tight machining tolerances, multi valve cylinders, overhead cams, water cooling and the list goes on, to a 100 year old, odd firing, air cooled, pushrod, vtwin motor design that spends most of its life between 3500 and 4500 rpms; really? Talk about apples and oranges; that comparison is apples to bricks.
The application of the more exotic performance options available for todays automotive power plants to the Harley vtwin motor is not cost effective and, in most instances, when applied is not practical for 99.9% of the folks that ride them.
That is why the most basic performance and most cost effective upgrade is an increase in displacment. Within the context of the Harley vtwin performance capabilities, which is what this and other Harley forums are about, all things being equal, the bigger motor comes out on top every time.
The application of the more exotic performance options available for todays automotive power plants to the Harley vtwin motor is not cost effective and, in most instances, when applied is not practical for 99.9% of the folks that ride them.
That is why the most basic performance and most cost effective upgrade is an increase in displacment. Within the context of the Harley vtwin performance capabilities, which is what this and other Harley forums are about, all things being equal, the bigger motor comes out on top every time.