Air cleaner choices?
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Here's a option from the 2014 SE catalog page 9, the SE Ventilator like the factory installs on the '14 FLSTNSE Softail with 50mm TB. Lots of knee room and filter element doesn't face the engine:
"Fits ’08-later Touring and ’11-later CVO Softail models
equipped with Screamin’ Eagle Pro High Flow 58mm
Throttle Body P/N 27713-08.
29400039 Chrome. $249.95"
"Fits ’08-later Touring and ’11-later CVO Softail models
equipped with Screamin’ Eagle Pro High Flow 58mm
Throttle Body P/N 27713-08.
29400039 Chrome. $249.95"
I spent quite a while tonight withe Screamin' Eagle catalog and examined the "fitment" of every air cleaner in it. My ONLY 2 choices are two configurations of the Heavy Breather (regular and compact) and the Extreme Billet round air filter (first series in the catalog), and even there I had to be careful with the part numbers that actually work: just ONE chrome version and ONE black version. I'm going with the chrome Chisel version, pn 29400124.
Besides the 2 different colored versions of the Extreme Billet and the 2 versions of the Heavy Breather, there are NO other part numbers that actually are guaranteed to fit a 2014 Softail with a 58mm mechanical throttle body.
And by the way, even if the Ventilator would fit, it would not help. Underneath the cover on it, the outside facing surface of that air cleaner is STILL "sealed". It only draws air from its "perimeter". The Extreme Billet one on the other hand has a multi-sided air filter element, and the billet cover allows drawing air from OUTSIDE (i.e. from the right side of the bike) along with the hotter air on the perimeter, which itself is cooler than the air drawn by the stock "football" shaped cover air filter configuration from right between the cylinders.
I need to have it before my dyno tune on the 19th, so my local dealer is transferring it in from another nearby dealer, and I'll have it by Tuesday afternoon, so I'll have time to install it before the dyno tune.
It's hard to believe that out of the entire vast HD offering of air filters, if you want cooler "outside" air, you have a choice of only 4 total variants of 2 air filters.
At least they both LOOK good.
Jim G
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Ok Jim. I missed your owning a non-CVO version of the Breakout. Oh well, we all need to learn to read more closely.
On a previous '12 Ultra I installed the 2014 style Touring air filter outer cover with the forward facing vent over an existing Stage upgrade similar to yours, but with the shallower filter element. There's still some rear facing intake area, but the idea was to inject cooler air from the front. Off'd the bike before I could test.
I'd consider the Heavy Breather in your case if it were mine and I wanted a proven increase in power via the air filter. I fly with an approved K&N air filter element on an old Piper Cub. If they couldn't handle rain at 90 mph every small plane would be grounded on rainy days. I've yet to have an issue with rain induction in flight.
Have fun with your mods.
On a previous '12 Ultra I installed the 2014 style Touring air filter outer cover with the forward facing vent over an existing Stage upgrade similar to yours, but with the shallower filter element. There's still some rear facing intake area, but the idea was to inject cooler air from the front. Off'd the bike before I could test.
I'd consider the Heavy Breather in your case if it were mine and I wanted a proven increase in power via the air filter. I fly with an approved K&N air filter element on an old Piper Cub. If they couldn't handle rain at 90 mph every small plane would be grounded on rainy days. I've yet to have an issue with rain induction in flight.
Have fun with your mods.
Which is why, I assume, that the factory intake has a backer plate on the engine side and draws air from the bottom of the cover. The stage 1 kit removes the backer plate and replaces the filter, thus exposing it to the hotter air. I just painted the face a K&N and bolted it on with no cover. Haven't had any issue with rain. I really don't think these engines create enough suction to pull any significant amount of water into the intake, especially if the filter is open, reducing vacuum.
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I agree the Heavy Breather is a good option for many, and I do think that it does the best job of pulling in cooler air because of its outboard location, but I'm going for different look this time and so have my local dealer bringing in an Extreme Billet Chisel Chrome air intake, with its multi-sided air filter.
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I agree the Heavy Breather is a good option for many, and I do think that it does the best job of pulling in cooler air because of its outboard location, but I'm going for different look this time and so have my local dealer bringing in an Extreme Billet Chisel Chrome air intake, with its multi-sided air filter.
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Here was my former plan by installing the '14 Touring cover on my '12 Ultra. Jim's note of colder air intake temp is important.
I was going to install an indoor/outdoor thermometer temporarily on the bike. Put the head on the bars where it can be seen, and run the outdoor probe and wire securely under the air filter. Note the temp differential at idle and while underway. Try to get them as close as possible via air filter design = as cool air as possible.
It can also be done via some aftermarket fuelers that read intake air temp, or using HD's digital Tech I believe.
The dual entry K&N that Jim's installing should help.
I was going to install an indoor/outdoor thermometer temporarily on the bike. Put the head on the bars where it can be seen, and run the outdoor probe and wire securely under the air filter. Note the temp differential at idle and while underway. Try to get them as close as possible via air filter design = as cool air as possible.
It can also be done via some aftermarket fuelers that read intake air temp, or using HD's digital Tech I believe.
The dual entry K&N that Jim's installing should help.
The Outlaw HiFlow 587 will work well with your set-up. It is low profile, and pulls air well from the slip stream.
There are also dozens of different looks.
Probably most important, it is one of the few air cleaners that is not feeding hot oily air into the intake from the breathers.
If you ever have a chance to put your had near the air coming out of the rocker cases and being fed into the intake (without filtering) you might be surprised how much there is and how Hot it is.
The oily component of that oxygen depleted air is not doing your combustion chamber any good either.
There are also dozens of different looks.
Probably most important, it is one of the few air cleaners that is not feeding hot oily air into the intake from the breathers.
If you ever have a chance to put your had near the air coming out of the rocker cases and being fed into the intake (without filtering) you might be surprised how much there is and how Hot it is.
The oily component of that oxygen depleted air is not doing your combustion chamber any good either.
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Hey DK looking at the Outlaw I was wondering where does the blowby oil go on your vent system , im looking for another system for my 04 heritage .I have Arlen Ness big sucker now and after every ride i have to pop off the filter and wipe the oil out of the throat of my intake ????
Hey DK looking at the Outlaw I was wondering where does the blowby oil go on your vent system , im looking for another system for my 04 heritage .I have Arlen Ness big sucker now and after every ride i have to pop off the filter and wipe the oil out of the throat of my intake ????
They all vent the air into the atmosphere and two of them have filters that absorb and hold the oil. When you wash the bike, you just spray those filters down too, and they are ready to absorb some more oil.
On the breather bolts the oil is stopped by the mesh screens and foam filter and then drains back into the engine...unless you have excessive oil carry over, in which case a fine mist will accumulate on the back plate of the air cleaner...but at least it's not getting into the combustion chamber building up carbon deposits.
With the Discrete System, you can put the filter anywhere you want it, the kit comes with 6' of hose. Below is a pic of my personal Softail, you can see the filter below my exhaust, near the back axle.
Last edited by DK Custom; Apr 12, 2014 at 07:36 PM.