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From: WV
One day you'll look back on that statement and laugh.
The service guys at my dealership said to avoid the SE and go with the Power Commander. The service guys at a local indie suggested the TTS.
I went with the Power Vision and couldn't be happier. The thing tunes itself. With a little computer know how that is.
Your bike, your choice. The truth is, they all do essentially the same thing. The question is how much money do you want to spend having a service tech "get it right"?
The service guys at my dealership said to avoid the SE and go with the Power Commander. The service guys at a local indie suggested the TTS.
I went with the Power Vision and couldn't be happier. The thing tunes itself. With a little computer know how that is.
Your bike, your choice. The truth is, they all do essentially the same thing. The question is how much money do you want to spend having a service tech "get it right"?
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From: Calgary, Canada
Man were you able to get out of that place without a shovel? The BS was pretty deep there.
The SERT won't be cheaper after you add in the dyno time.
Also, Power Commanders and the Power Vision are two entirely different things.
The SERT won't be cheaper after you add in the dyno time.
Also, Power Commanders and the Power Vision are two entirely different things.
Last edited by CanuckSporty; Jul 21, 2012 at 10:23 AM.
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From: michigan
I meant that I trust them to the extent that I don't trust the guys at my local harley dealer who couldn't even tell me what to use on denim paint.
The SE + dyno time came in to within $40 of eachother. I don't remember which one was more expensive.
He did admit that the power commander and power vision are not the same. And that's why he really didn't say anything on it good or bad. He just said that he felt he should inform me to the best of his knowledge. Another part that sold me on it is that he was saying you really don't want things tuned outside of your region because it will be wrong. This past week it was 100+ here in Michigan with high humidity and they wouldn't tune in that because it would be wrong. So it makes sense that I don't want tunes coming from other places. Will it destroy my bike? no. But it won't be "right".
The SE + dyno time came in to within $40 of eachother. I don't remember which one was more expensive.
He did admit that the power commander and power vision are not the same. And that's why he really didn't say anything on it good or bad. He just said that he felt he should inform me to the best of his knowledge. Another part that sold me on it is that he was saying you really don't want things tuned outside of your region because it will be wrong. This past week it was 100+ here in Michigan with high humidity and they wouldn't tune in that because it would be wrong. So it makes sense that I don't want tunes coming from other places. Will it destroy my bike? no. But it won't be "right".
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From: Calgary, Canada
I meant that I trust them to the extent that I don't trust the guys at my local harley dealer who couldn't even tell me what to use on denim paint.
The SE + dyno time came in to within $40 of eachother. I don't remember which one was more expensive.
He did admit that the power commander and power vision are not the same. And that's why he really didn't say anything on it good or bad. He just said that he felt he should inform me to the best of his knowledge. Another part that sold me on it is that he was saying you really don't want things tuned outside of your region because it will be wrong. This past week it was 100+ here in Michigan with high humidity and they wouldn't tune in that because it would be wrong. So it makes sense that I don't want tunes coming from other places. Will it destroy my bike? no. But it won't be "right".
The SE + dyno time came in to within $40 of eachother. I don't remember which one was more expensive.
He did admit that the power commander and power vision are not the same. And that's why he really didn't say anything on it good or bad. He just said that he felt he should inform me to the best of his knowledge. Another part that sold me on it is that he was saying you really don't want things tuned outside of your region because it will be wrong. This past week it was 100+ here in Michigan with high humidity and they wouldn't tune in that because it would be wrong. So it makes sense that I don't want tunes coming from other places. Will it destroy my bike? no. But it won't be "right".
Truth is that Harley ECM is capable of adjusting to different intake air temps and altitude changes just fine. I live in a similar climate and my tune is fine no matter what the temp. Plus with the PV you are tuning it where you live so it is tuned there.
Of course the dealer is going to try to sell you what they sell, otherwise they'd be out of business, and they've got a $30k Dyno to pay for.
It's up to you to do your research and make decisions based on facts.
Do what you want, I'm just trying to correct information here for others who come across this when searching for the PV.
Last edited by CanuckSporty; Jul 21, 2012 at 09:59 PM.
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From: michigan
Unless you take your bike with the PV to a dyno, how is it tuned here? For people who use the tunes that you select based on your setup, they create these elsewhere. Fuelmoto does it in Wisconsin, but the main center where they come from is in Las Vegas. So people who use the maps there are going to get tunes based on Las Vegas weather.
I'm not entirely sure that there is a right or wrong answer here. I'm not ******* PV. I was really just coming back to my OP with an update. And I know a lot of people don't like the dealer because they cost more. But as a general rule, shouldn't you listen to the people who went through training and schooling to fix our bikes? Of course there are always those people who have had bad experiences. You find that everywhere, and with everything. Human's aren't perfect. Even the best make mistakes.
And as far as the dealer trying to push things on us, I never felt that I was pushed into my decision. The techs don't make any money off of pushing product. So what would they have to gain?
Bottom line, this is not a right up to say anything negative about PV. Simply stating what I went with and why. I don't believe any of the information I was given was wrong based on the information I also looked up and have read on here. It's really a matter of personal opinion (for lack of a better word). I didn't want to take the risk (whatever it may be) in doing something that could possibly screw me over down the road.
I'm not entirely sure that there is a right or wrong answer here. I'm not ******* PV. I was really just coming back to my OP with an update. And I know a lot of people don't like the dealer because they cost more. But as a general rule, shouldn't you listen to the people who went through training and schooling to fix our bikes? Of course there are always those people who have had bad experiences. You find that everywhere, and with everything. Human's aren't perfect. Even the best make mistakes.
And as far as the dealer trying to push things on us, I never felt that I was pushed into my decision. The techs don't make any money off of pushing product. So what would they have to gain?
Bottom line, this is not a right up to say anything negative about PV. Simply stating what I went with and why. I don't believe any of the information I was given was wrong based on the information I also looked up and have read on here. It's really a matter of personal opinion (for lack of a better word). I didn't want to take the risk (whatever it may be) in doing something that could possibly screw me over down the road.
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From: Calgary, Canada
http://xlforum.net/vbportal/forums/s....php?t=1397370
The beauty of the PV is that you can tune your bike yourself without a Dyno. You log data and let PV Log Tuner make the adjustments to the tune over and over until it's bang on (see above link on how this is done). Plus you are tuning during actual riding conditions, where and how you normally ride. Another plus are the displays on the PV that can give you information while you are riding.
If you aren't up to the challenge of tuning that's fine, not everybody is. But in the end you will end up with a far better tune with the PV than a 1/2 hour on a Dyno will give you.
Good luck.
The beauty of the PV is that you can tune your bike yourself without a Dyno. You log data and let PV Log Tuner make the adjustments to the tune over and over until it's bang on (see above link on how this is done). Plus you are tuning during actual riding conditions, where and how you normally ride. Another plus are the displays on the PV that can give you information while you are riding.
If you aren't up to the challenge of tuning that's fine, not everybody is. But in the end you will end up with a far better tune with the PV than a 1/2 hour on a Dyno will give you.
Good luck.
Last edited by CanuckSporty; Jul 22, 2012 at 08:52 AM.
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You don't need a dyno if you're using a PowerVision, a TTS, or even a SERT...
Dont know why people think you do.
Dont know why people think you do.
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Just went through this myself. After much debate, I ended up purchasing the Powervision from Fuel Moto. I first did a bunch of research online. Then I went to the dealership. They told me the Power Commander was junk and the only thing to get was the HD Race Tuner. Then they told me the Rinehart Slipons wouldn't fit on V&H headers. That I had to go True Duels all the way. I knew something was up.
In the end, I am very happy with Power Vision....but I've only had it for a week now. But it was very easy to up load a map to the ECM. The guys at Fuel Moto are excellent. They were very helpful and didn't get irritated with the many questions I had. I think I called them like 6 times. Even though they are selling a product, I feel they gave me honest answers and weren't there to bash any one product. The Power Vision is a great tool. I'm still trying to figure out all the things it can do. Again, I've only had it for a week though. Either today or tomorrow - depending on weather - I'll be recording my first run and then taking a look at it and seeing if I can tweak it any better. But it is running really good right now.
Just my $.02
In the end, I am very happy with Power Vision....but I've only had it for a week now. But it was very easy to up load a map to the ECM. The guys at Fuel Moto are excellent. They were very helpful and didn't get irritated with the many questions I had. I think I called them like 6 times. Even though they are selling a product, I feel they gave me honest answers and weren't there to bash any one product. The Power Vision is a great tool. I'm still trying to figure out all the things it can do. Again, I've only had it for a week though. Either today or tomorrow - depending on weather - I'll be recording my first run and then taking a look at it and seeing if I can tweak it any better. But it is running really good right now.
Just my $.02
Last edited by Bo Joe; Jul 24, 2012 at 10:55 AM.
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The average Joe-schmo can tune his bike with a power vision (without a dyno within 500 miles) and come up with a tune that is just as good.
A lot of dyno guys (especially at dealerships....) aren't that great anyways, especially with the new EFI stuff. It's not that they dont grasp engine theory, they just aren't used to a lot of the stuff.
I have yet to see someone who regrets the PowerVision.
A lot of dyno guys (especially at dealerships....) aren't that great anyways, especially with the new EFI stuff. It's not that they dont grasp engine theory, they just aren't used to a lot of the stuff.
I have yet to see someone who regrets the PowerVision.