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Old Sep 27, 2012 | 12:55 PM
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My oil stays pretty much the same level, hot or cold.

When cold, it's about 1/2" above the lower line on my temp gauge dipstick. When hot, maybe 3/4" above the mark, putting it right in the middle. My bike's 22 years old and the 1/4" difference could easily be explained by thermal expansion, so I don't see this "leakdown" issue on my bike.

Sounds to me like you might be a bit low on oil.

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What your bike or someone else's bike does cold is irrelevant here.
The check valve that's supposed to keep the oil in the tank, leaks oil to the sump to some degree on every Harley, some just leak down faster than others.

This is why every Harley Owners Manual calls for the oil to be checked when Hot.

If you check the oil level at the end of a ride, the bike will have the same quantity of oil the next time you ride it, unless of course, you find a big puddle of oil on the ground under the bike.

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Old Sep 27, 2012 | 01:36 PM
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ok yes, I see all what you mean, I will warm her up and check the oil, I would say that she does need topping up especially as the oil doesn't even register on the dipstick when cold though, I find it strange to check the oil while the bike is leaning on the jiffy stand, surely all the oil is to 1 side and not level in the oil tank, therfore not giving a true reading....?
 
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Old Sep 27, 2012 | 01:44 PM
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ok yes, I see all what you mean, I will warm her up and check the oil, I would say that she does need topping up especially as the oil doesn't even register on the dipstick when cold though, I find it strange to check the oil while the bike is leaning on the jiffy stand, surely all the oil is to 1 side and not level in the oil tank, therfore not giving a true reading....?
Yea my manual says to just check it when its on the jiffy stand but you should check it when the bike is level, put a 2by4 under the kickstand and that should be level enough. You ride the bike when the oil level is level, so check it when its level
 

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Old Sep 27, 2012 | 01:45 PM
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ok yes, I see all what you mean, I will warm her up and check the oil, I would say that she does need topping up especially as the oil doesn't even register on the dipstick when cold though, I find it strange to check the oil while the bike is leaning on the jiffy stand, surely all the oil is to 1 side and not level in the oil tank, therfore not giving a true reading....?
DO NOT top the oil level off before warming it up.

It does vary when measuring on the jiffy vs straight up, this is why mid way between the dipstick Low and Full marks is considered "Normal" when measured on the jiffy stand. The MoCo does not call for the oil to be kept at the Full mark.

If you've raised the suspension on the bike like I have, the bike will lean further over on the jiffy making the oil level show even lower. Mine will measure at mid stick on the jiffy and just short of Full with the bike upright.

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Old Sep 27, 2012 | 04:33 PM
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Great! I will not top it up until I have warmed the bike......I will leave on the jiffy stand and once warm I will top the oil up until it is half way between low and full!..then I will put my new analogue temp dipstick on and hopefully it will show me how hot the oil is as well.
 
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Old Sep 27, 2012 | 04:47 PM
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I really don't think the 5 to 10 degree lean when on the jiffy stand (especially if you also turn the bars the the right) makes much difference when checking your oil level. It's not like you're laying it on it's side when parked.

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Old Sep 27, 2012 | 04:54 PM
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But it seems to be enough of a difference that thats how the manual says to do it.
 
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Old Sep 27, 2012 | 05:01 PM
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But it seems to be enough of a difference that thats how the manual says to do it.
My FSM (1991) says to check hot and while upright, but I've never done it that way except once because the lean angle is not that significant. I can test this theory, but I think it won't be much difference, maybe 1/4" - 1/2" at most. Of course, my oil tank may not be designed the same as the newer bikes.

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Old Sep 27, 2012 | 05:02 PM
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I really don't think the 5 to 10 degree lean when on the jiffy stand (especially if you also turn the bars the the right) makes much difference when checking your oil level. It's not like you're laying it on it's side when parked.

John
It may not be on yours, but on mine with 12.5" rear shocks the extra lean is noticeable and the difference on the dipstick measurement, on jiffy vs bike straight up, is just less than 1/2 quart. We're also talking 04up bikes where the plastic tank runs across the width of the bike, giving the oil plenty of space to move away from the dipstick.

And who parks with the forks turned to the right?
 
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Originally Posted by cHarley
It may not be on yours, but on mine with 12.5" rear shocks the extra lean is noticeable and the difference on the dipstick measurement, on jiffy vs bike straight up, is just less than 1/2 quart. We're also talking 04up bikes where the plastic tank runs across the width of the bike, giving the oil plenty of space to move away from the dipstick.

And who parks with the forks turned to the right?
I've got 13.5" shocks on mine, and I'll try to test these theories next time I take her out.

You're probably right about the plastic oil tank design.

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