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Think of the AE table like an accelerator pump on a carb, the only time it adds fuel is as you apply throttle. The DE removes fuel when you close the throttle.
Don't zero out while tuning and leave them enabled once done. I suggested zeroing out and testing to see if you still see the 11.4. I suspect you will.
I don't remember if you are using Target Tune or not. If not another experiment would be to reduce your ve tables by 15% in the 95 & 100 tps columns and checking
your afrs again. To be clear it's wot you're seeing the 11.4 afrs?
what ae you using to measure your afr at the pipe?
LoneWolf is correct that those tables are milliseconds,,,,,think accellerator pump for AE.
i'd like to know how you are measuring your data and refresh my memory on what the build is, year and model?
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Yes, milliseconds. According to my Data Logging the ECM and the PV sample 13 times a second as shown in the data logs.
I and using my wide band O2 sensors provided with my Target Tune for feedback on actuals AFR's
Its in my sig the 2013 110" 217 ccp.
I get that the AE acts as an accelerator pump as in on a carb but the AFR's never come back up to target AFR's as load decreases and rpm goes up.
Last edited by 98hotrodfatboy; Jan 4, 2025 at 01:53 PM.
Think of the AE table like an accelerator pump on a carb, the only time it adds fuel is as you apply throttle. The DE removes fuel when you close the throttle.
Don't zero out while tuning and leave them enabled once done. I suggested zeroing out and testing to see if you still see the 11.4. I suspect you will.
I don't remember if you are using Target Tune or not. If not another experiment would be to reduce your ve tables by 15% in the 95 & 100 tps columns and checking
your afrs again. To be clear it's wot you're seeing the 11.4 afrs?
No it's at 40% throttle and up.. Itactually got down to 10.9. As I said to Marcodarg it's not working like an accelerator pump. It's as if the PE Air Fuel Ratio table (that I have set between 13.8 to 13.0) is being overwritten by another table. By the way I have all my tables set it should never go that low. Yes Target Tune. Also I have EPS set to 6200 rpm which should disable it because my rev limiter is also 6200 rpm. So that table should not be adding more fuel.
Last edited by 98hotrodfatboy; Jan 4, 2025 at 02:02 PM.
Ok but remember Target Tune needs a pretty accurate set of ve tables in the map to have a chance to work. It doesn't remember what it did the last
time it entered a cell. It has to relearn every time. As a test I would reduce those ve numbers 10-15% and do a data run to see the difference. You should
be safe to do that as rich as you're seeing.
So in my simple mind the EFI program goes through the data and works out what the width should be. It finally reads the value in this table and does the maths to create the final value.
So in my simple mind the EFI program goes through the data and works out what the width should be. It finally reads the value in this table and does the maths to create the final value.
The ECM and PV look at several sensors and tables to calculate the proper pulse width to achieve the proper AFR's.
i'm wondering if it wont be able to get where you want it at such a richer than norm desired afr of 13.0-13.9 through the whole table,,,,,will it lock into closed loop with that rich a desired afr table?
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