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Old Jan 4, 2015 | 09:34 AM
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Out bad a trashing the "club" on the internet. Better be glad they are what they are instead of what they want the general public to believe they are
 
Old Jan 4, 2015 | 09:46 AM
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Originally Posted by maverick2076
Jesus Christ. Is this the plot for the Sons of Anarchy-Dawson's Creek Chapter spin off show?

I'd call BS on the whole story, except that: A. It sounds just like the kind of crap I've heard from a couple of people I met who prospected with a local IO chapter and: B. I actually know one of the people you mention in that story.

I just can't understand why you would associate yourself with them after what you saw just in the first few days.
You would be surprised at what you failed to notice until after the fact.
 
Old Jan 4, 2015 | 09:50 AM
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Originally Posted by SYLM
Out bad a trashing the "club" on the internet. Better be glad they are what they are instead of what they want the general public to believe they are
Think of it more as a cautionary tale for those who don't know any better.
And I have nothing to be glad for there Hero, if they had a spine, it would've been evident long before now. Thanks for playing- enjoy your copy of the home game.
 
Old Jan 4, 2015 | 11:31 AM
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It was an interesting read. I couldn't have put up with all that after a day or two.
 
Old Jan 4, 2015 | 12:24 PM
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Good Lord! I thought some of my posts were overly long because i am a fast typist. Two more paragraphs and he could have submitted the manuscript for publication.
 
Old Jan 4, 2015 | 12:47 PM
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Good Lord! I thought some of my posts were overly long because i am a fast typist. Two more paragraphs and he could have submitted the manuscript for publication.
I ain't. I'm the guy who still has to look at the keyboard, and types with two fingers. So, that took me forever lol.
 
Old Jan 4, 2015 | 04:45 PM
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This is not unique to just the LE type clubs. Any new club that doesnt seek out the guidence or mentoring from established MCs goes through drama like a social club. Simply put, they dont know what they're doing.
If a club stands alone, self enforces, and rarely if ever associates with other clubs then they are truly lost in the world.

Traditional MCs at least have a common governance in organizations like the CoC. Doesnt stop the internal social drama but does impact and set some organizational standards. No such checks and balances in any of the LEMC community.

My opinion from seeing dozens of clubs come and go over the decades.
 
Old Jan 4, 2015 | 06:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Mi3ninos
This is not unique to just the LE type clubs. Any new club that doesnt seek out the guidence or mentoring from established MCs goes through drama like a social club. Simply put, they dont know what they're doing.
If a club stands alone, self enforces, and rarely if ever associates with other clubs then they are truly lost in the world.

Traditional MCs at least have a common governance in organizations like the CoC. Doesnt stop the internal social drama but does impact and set some organizational standards. No such checks and balances in any of the LEMC community.

My opinion from seeing dozens of clubs come and go over the decades.

This is exactly right. You couldn't have summed it up any better. Your posts are always spot on though so I'm not surprised.
 
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Old Jan 4, 2015 | 10:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Mi3ninos
This is not unique to just the LE type clubs. Any new club that doesnt seek out the guidence or mentoring from established MCs goes through drama like a social club. Simply put, they dont know what they're doing.
If a club stands alone, self enforces, and rarely if ever associates with other clubs then they are truly lost in the world.

Traditional MCs at least have a common governance in organizations like the CoC. Doesnt stop the internal social drama but does impact and set some organizational standards. No such checks and balances in any of the LEMC community.

My opinion from seeing dozens of clubs come and go over the decades.
IO doesn't really label itself as a LEMC, the only time they seem to care if a member is a cop is when the leadership wants something from them, or when it comes to elections. None of the officers I ever met were really crazy about being the eternal SAA, road captain or P/VP. I guess it would like being a dentist and constantly being required to pull teeth on your days off. They tend to put the Lawyers and LEO's in the officer positions in an attempt to minimize the need to interact with the other clubs in the area, or as a security blanket when they have to be out in public.

The LEO's get used quite a bit- and I kinda feel bad for the guys. Spend all week policing up stupid (some officers, not so much), only to spend all their free time policing up the special kind of stupid that the IO seems to attract.

I will say that I never hung out with the LEO members in their AO, usually at out of town events- so things could be totally different there. I will say it isn't the LEO's in the general brotherhood that are the problem- most of them are just looking to not be cops for a while- It's the lawyers on the DLA/ They are the ones with the power to pretty much as they please, and it's an appointed position- so they really aren't accountable to anyone.

Case in point- The guy who is now the regional director for the TX/AR/OK/MS area was on the DLA when he decided to run for the position. Who counts the votes? Why, the DLA, of course. there were evidently several recounts and re-votes before he "won" the election- all in all some shady stuff there. Nobody said a damn thing about it. Last I heard he was still holding both positions.

One big ball of fubar right there.

Like I said, lesson learned.
 
Old Jan 4, 2015 | 10:14 PM
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Originally Posted by tree88
IO doesn't really label itself as a LEMC, the only time they seem to care if a member is a cop is when the leadership wants something from them, or when it comes to elections.......
Not familiar with the Tipton murder at the hands of IO members are you?

http://bikersofamerica.blogspot.com/...ation-day.html

Doesn't the Killeen IO Chapter have MPs in it? What about "the Private", isn't she an MP? Aren't you an ex-MP?
 



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