Florida sticks it to bikers again
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From: Port Orange, FL
RE: Florida sticks it to bikers again
MNPGRider. I agree. Some can argue that we don't need big brother
to protect us ( an I for one don't like a lot of regulations) but the MSF
gives people a better chance at being safe ( and maybe keeping big brother off our backs with even more regulations).
to protect us ( an I for one don't like a lot of regulations) but the MSF
gives people a better chance at being safe ( and maybe keeping big brother off our backs with even more regulations).
Road Master
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From: San Diego (Poway), CA
RE: Florida sticks it to bikers again
I drive 18 wheels locallyfor a living, sometimes I think people need a refresher course in driving/riding. Maybe that should be a requirement, ride with a cop during the evening hours from 5PM to about 11PM.
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From: New Mexico-No, you don't need a passport.
RE: Florida sticks it to bikers again
The Moron Vehicle Division in New Mexico believes that you must have a drivers license in order to register a vehicle. There is no such law on the books. If there was then no company such as Sears or your local plumbing company would be able to own vehicles. I have a friend who is legally blind. He purchased a car and an insurance policy to cover anyone who drove it. We had a hell of a time convincing them that the had to register it.
I don't think you should have to be licensed to purchase any vehicle but you should be required to be licensed in order to drive it.
Form a corporation. See if that will get you around the licensing requirement.
How can your local HD dealership or rental agency purchase and register a motorcycle for rental?
I don't think you should have to be licensed to purchase any vehicle but you should be required to be licensed in order to drive it.
Form a corporation. See if that will get you around the licensing requirement.
How can your local HD dealership or rental agency purchase and register a motorcycle for rental?
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From: Raleigh NC
RE: Florida sticks it to bikers again
ORIGINAL: Capt.Bob
Everyone here makes some good points but here is one to consider also. This is why I think the whole thing is a joke. There is a licensed MSF course given in my area that uses 125cc bikes to give the course on. If you take the course and pass you getthe M endorsement. I maintain that being tested on a 125cc scooter should not quailify you for the endorsement. I know people that have taken this course and then jumped right on bigger Harleys and such. A 125cc scooter is not a motorcycle.
Everyone here makes some good points but here is one to consider also. This is why I think the whole thing is a joke. There is a licensed MSF course given in my area that uses 125cc bikes to give the course on. If you take the course and pass you getthe M endorsement. I maintain that being tested on a 125cc scooter should not quailify you for the endorsement. I know people that have taken this course and then jumped right on bigger Harleys and such. A 125cc scooter is not a motorcycle.
BUT.... after we had taken the test, and gotten our credientials... the instructors made it VERY CLEAR.... he said
"you have now learned the BASIC skills, you're going to have to master, before you begin to ride on the street... most of you are NOT ready to ride on the street, and you shouldn't try. Go find a parking lot... and practice"
I've taken the ERC since, and will repeat again next week.... just because I want to....
frank
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RE: Florida sticks it to bikers again
After just reading the first page of this, I see WAY TOO MUCH misreading of this regulation. It states that a PURCHASER not OPERATOR must have the valid endorsement. I just came from the state capitol a couple days ago fighting off something similar here. I, first and foremost, am a staunch advocate of rider training and ensuring that the OPERATOR is properly licensed. However, from the business side, many people bought his-n-her Vespas as anniversary gifts for people other than themselves. Many parents bought for kids going to college and asked about rider training for them. I once had an investor out of NYC buy one as a business gift for Sam Zell (a PX is 151cc, legally a class M) Everybody around here knows of Sam and his "Zell's Angels" Rolex Riders, but the law would have made the purchase illegal! The fact that it singles out motorcycles is the most troubling. What if Trucking company executives were required to have CDL's to buy trucks for their fleet? Again, enforce the OPERATOR aspect of existing laws, maybe even increase penalties. But the requirement of a PURCHASER is ludicrous.
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RE: Florida sticks it to bikers again
You want away around the law just get real tanned and speak spic.then you dont have to go by the law.Maybe we can convert the spics from f____ up trucks and low riders to bikes then they will not make as many laws against us.
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From: Deep in the heart of New Jersey
RE: Florida sticks it to bikers again
anyone against the safty course can look in the video section at the guy on the new harley that drives 50feet , the runs into a parked car. Its scary that in new jersey you can get a permit,and your licence in a weekend, with no prior riding experience. Then go to a bike dealer and buy the fastest , most powerful bike on the road. does that make sense?
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RE: Florida sticks it to bikers again
Graduated licensing is another valid concept, but yet another thing you don't want the government's sticky fingers in your pockets on. In theory, someone first having to master a sub-125, then a sub-500, then a sub-1000 before anyone can operate a hyabusa or a heavyweight touring bike would be a good idea, but contact a european or south american and find out what kind of hassles they have to endure.
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I bought a bike at the age of 18 having never ever ridin one......didn't even know how to get it out of the dealers parking lot. Was excited but scared to death. I do think new riders need a good safety course that could be offerred as part of the sale of the bike, but that old heads should not have to pay for a course just to hit the roads.