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Old May 7, 2015 | 10:42 AM
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I had an 06 SG and now a 05 RK. Why the hell did Harley use a split Y pipe on the rear cylinder? Did they really think it was a good idea? They would use less material if they used a true dual setup.
 
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Old May 7, 2015 | 10:49 AM
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2-1-2s or H pipes make more power and only require the use of one cat on the newer bikes.

True dual only do do 2 things well,
1) They look good.
2) They sound good.
 
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Old May 7, 2015 | 11:22 AM
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plus it's quieter for each cylinder to exhaust thru both mufflers...


they did have true duals back in the 60's and 70's...
 
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Old May 7, 2015 | 11:48 AM
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More efficient at scavenging spent gases.
 
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Old May 7, 2015 | 12:21 PM
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There is not a new vehicle on the planet these days, with two cylinders or more, that does not have an exhaust system with all cylinders linked together. The reason is simply that by doing so the engine gives improved torque and driveability, indeed it can be much better tuned by the manufacturer. TDs are simply drag pipes with mufflers and will only work well at the revs the pipe length is optimised for, while a collector system works over a much wider rev range.

Back in the '60s IIRC BSA discovered that linking the two pipes of their parallel twins improved torque, so they adopted them across the BSA and Triumph ranges and within a few years all the major twin manufacturers had copied them. It seems to be a collective amnesia amongst Harley owners that their twins have probably been made with a 2-into-1 system for longer than any other set-up they have used!

In the case of my own Glide, I have had it dynoed by the same shop with TDs and my current SuperTrapp 2-into-1. The headline numbers for both are very similar, however the SuperTrapp gives me up to 15% more torque in the low/mid rev range, where most of us ride. A bonus is that the engine also runs much smoother and is a great deal nicer to ride. I will never use TDs again!
 
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Good info guys thanks! Looks like I will leave my headers alone and save money! I have 4" Bassani slip ons it now they sound pretty good.
 
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True duals cause a loss of torque . No way around that. The HD scavenger system does work. That I why many of us run 2-1-2 headers when we dump the cats
 
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