Gas additive for clean up
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From: Prior Lake, MN
It's quite true that in some cases the gas being sold doesn't always come from that source. There was a story in the news some time ago on that- franchisees get gas wherever the station wants. Buying from Shell (or any "Branded" station) doesn't guarantee that's the gas you're getting.
Road Master
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From: Olive & Oak
Unleaded gas, blended for your particular area, based on the governing laws, is all the same. This gas can come from any refinery that can supply the required blend. All of this gas has the EPA required detergents at the EPA required level.
What Makes Shell gas Shell gas is the additional Shell additive package that is added to the fuel prior to it being put into the storage tanks at a Shell station. The Shell additive is proprietary and you won't get gas, with the Shell additive package, anywhere else.
The same holds true for Chevron gas, Exxon gas, etc..
It is not a rumor that all regular unleaded gas for a particular area is the same. It is a fact. Unless you live in a very large urban environment, it probably came from the same refinery and was delivered to the retail location by the same distributor from the same tank truck.
Valero is the worlds largest independent refining company and also is a retailer. You will find Valero refined fuels at non-Valero branded retail stations.
In a nutshell: If you want to exclusive use Chevron gas in your bike, buy what ever no-name gas you want and add the correct amount of Techron to it. You will have the same fuel as you would get from a Chevron or Texaco retail station.
What Makes Shell gas Shell gas is the additional Shell additive package that is added to the fuel prior to it being put into the storage tanks at a Shell station. The Shell additive is proprietary and you won't get gas, with the Shell additive package, anywhere else.
The same holds true for Chevron gas, Exxon gas, etc..
It is not a rumor that all regular unleaded gas for a particular area is the same. It is a fact. Unless you live in a very large urban environment, it probably came from the same refinery and was delivered to the retail location by the same distributor from the same tank truck.
Valero is the worlds largest independent refining company and also is a retailer. You will find Valero refined fuels at non-Valero branded retail stations.
In a nutshell: If you want to exclusive use Chevron gas in your bike, buy what ever no-name gas you want and add the correct amount of Techron to it. You will have the same fuel as you would get from a Chevron or Texaco retail station.
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From: Chicago, IL
My bike was running rich for about 9000 miles do to a bad map on my PC V. Now I have the correct map, Thanks Fuel Moto and the bike is running great with 45MPG. I am not sure if even needed but should I look into a gas additive to clean out any unburnt or fouling ??? I always BUY good name brand gas, Shell, what I get is a different story.....
Ride Safe, JIM
Ride Safe, JIM
We make a product called STA-BILŽ 360° Powersports that will help with cleaning the fuel system. It will also help restore power, maximize fuel economy, prevent ethanol damage and smooth idle. It can also be used to keep fuel fresh for up to 12 months. The link below has a little more information on that product (though it says STA-BILŽ 360° Performance which is packaged for automotive).
http://www.goldeagle.com/STA-BIL360-...mance-Campaign
The bottles sold at auto parts stores may be a little higher priced but they treat quite a bit more fuel than our "pour-n-go" powersports size.
We take pride in making products that do what they say they'll do. There are other additives such as Chevron Techron that perform very well, too. Just be sure to do research before purchasing any additive.
Everyone have a great weekend!!
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From: Mountain Top, Alabama
On a side note, I start using fuel stabilizers in my small gas engines toward the end of their operating seasons to clean and prep them prior to storage insuring that it is all throughout their fuel systems, as well as stored with full tanks.
I have used SB, SF, Tech, MMO, and TCW3 all with good results. With this corn gas we are getting these days, it is important to do SOMETHING, especially for storage.
I also believe that with all of today's additives already in the gas we buy, if you are running it thru on a fairly regular basis (like riding season with our bikes), You are probably OK, unless you just want to serve your bike a treat...
I have used SB, SF, Tech, MMO, and TCW3 all with good results. With this corn gas we are getting these days, it is important to do SOMETHING, especially for storage.
I also believe that with all of today's additives already in the gas we buy, if you are running it thru on a fairly regular basis (like riding season with our bikes), You are probably OK, unless you just want to serve your bike a treat...
Road Warrior
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From: NY
Its the other way around because techron in concentrated version is a stronger solvent cleaner then seafoam is which i found from 1st hand exp suing both in same type cond in carb'd or EFI bike & automotive engines.
Scott
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From: NY
My bike was running rich for about 9000 miles do to a bad map on my PC V. Now I have the correct map, Thanks Fuel Moto and the bike is running great with 45MPG. I am not sure if even needed but should I look into a gas additive to clean out any unburnt or fouling ??? I always BUY good name brand gas, Shell, what I get is a different story.....
Ride Safe, JIM
Ride Safe, JIM
I have used seafoam and chevron techron (concentrated version) for yrs in EFI & Carb'd bikes and cars to clean inj/carb/combustion chambers-pistons-valves and i found Chevrons Techron (Concentrated version) is hand down more effective.
Dont get me wrong Seafoam is decent & i still using it at times when i only need a light maint clean is required ,but when i want a better deeper clean or have a bike or car motor thats never had inj /carbon cleaner i go with Chevron Techron (concentrated version) because it seems to be a stronger more robust solvent thus doing a better job.
I run a full tank of fuel dosed with 1.5oz Techron per gal for good cleanup and if suspect issues with clogged inj or excessively carboned up comb chambers ,pistons & valves run 2 tanks of fuel dosed at 1.5 oz Chevrons concentrated techron thru the motor.
And i try to do the Techron cleanups on open road cruising steady at higher speed and also do a few running the bike up to 5k rpm or so fin 1st,2ng,3rd gears too.
And on EFI apps after i do a good clean out with Techron that sends carbon from comb chambers out into ex system where it can coat 02's and cat converter i run a healthy dose of cat converter & 02 cleaner to remove all carbon deposits from the 02's & cat .
I do that on open road cruising at higher speed and run it up to 5k rpm
or so thru the gears a few times too.
The higher speed cruise speed and running the motor up thru higher rpm a few times going thru the gears helps inc comb chamber temp and ex temp that should better clean out carbon and also better clean off of contam from 02's and out of cat converter lif running 1 too.
Note,if trying chevron techron be aware they mfg 2 diff lvls of techron in same basic looking black bottle,the concentrated version states it on the label so keep an eye out for it.
Scott
Cruiser
Joined: Feb 2012
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From: Kissimmee
For the best results with seafoam(I prefer the GM version xx66 is the part number from memory) remove the air cleaner cover and filter and run the bike off idle while spraying it into the engine. Allow it to sit for 10 minutes, then refire it and it'll run weird and smoke a bit as the carbon it softened on the valves gets sucked out of the valve pockets and cooked in the exhaust and the cat.
Works like a charm.
You can add Seafoam to the gas as well for a touch up during maintenance. But its MUCH less effective than sprayed into the air tracts rather than squirted in in fractional amounts by the injectors.
Works like a charm.
You can add Seafoam to the gas as well for a touch up during maintenance. But its MUCH less effective than sprayed into the air tracts rather than squirted in in fractional amounts by the injectors.
Road Warrior
Joined: Nov 2014
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From: NY
On a side note, I start using fuel stabilizers in my small gas engines toward the end of their operating seasons to clean and prep them prior to storage insuring that it is all throughout their fuel systems, as well as stored with full tanks.
I have used SB, SF, Tech, MMO, and TCW3 all with good results. With this corn gas we are getting these days, it is important to do SOMETHING, especially for storage.
I also believe that with all of today's additives already in the gas we buy, if you are running it thru on a fairly regular basis (like riding season with our bikes), You are probably OK, unless you just want to serve your bike a treat...
I have used SB, SF, Tech, MMO, and TCW3 all with good results. With this corn gas we are getting these days, it is important to do SOMETHING, especially for storage.
I also believe that with all of today's additives already in the gas we buy, if you are running it thru on a fairly regular basis (like riding season with our bikes), You are probably OK, unless you just want to serve your bike a treat...
Just something i have noticed wrenching motor for 4+ decades is that yes top tier fuel does run cleaner and is better butover time/esp miles even top tier fuel can gum up injtectors,intake valves and comb chambers too,its just take longer to do so.
Thats why i run a healthy dose of Chevron Techron concentrated version thru all my carb'd & EFI cars and bikes a min of 1x yrs if not 2x yrly along with then running a healthy dose of cat / 02 cleaner right behind the techron too.
Forgot to mention in my earlier posts in this thread that its best to do this type cleanout just prior to an oil & filter change .
Thats because the cleaning solvent and or contam /carbon etc it removes can sometimes get past rings into crankcase depending how much blowby is present which in that case will contaminate a fresh oil change with solvent and carbon contam that cleaned from comb chambers etc which isnt good for obvious reasons.
Scott
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Jim,
We make a product called STA-BILŽ 360° Powersports that will help with cleaning the fuel system. It will also help restore power, maximize fuel economy, prevent ethanol damage and smooth idle. It can also be used to keep fuel fresh for up to 12 months. The link below has a little more information on that product (though it says STA-BILŽ 360° Performance which is packaged for automotive).
http://www.goldeagle.com/STA-BIL360-...mance-Campaign
As mike033y said, we would be happy to get some samples out to anyone willing to give it a try. Simply reference this thread in a PM with your name and address and we'll get those samples out.
The bottles sold at auto parts stores may be a little higher priced but they treat quite a bit more fuel than our "pour-n-go" powersports size.
We take pride in making products that do what they say they'll do. There are other additives such as Chevron Techron that perform very well, too. Just be sure to do research before purchasing any additive.
Everyone have a great weekend!!
We make a product called STA-BILŽ 360° Powersports that will help with cleaning the fuel system. It will also help restore power, maximize fuel economy, prevent ethanol damage and smooth idle. It can also be used to keep fuel fresh for up to 12 months. The link below has a little more information on that product (though it says STA-BILŽ 360° Performance which is packaged for automotive).
http://www.goldeagle.com/STA-BIL360-...mance-Campaign
As mike033y said, we would be happy to get some samples out to anyone willing to give it a try. Simply reference this thread in a PM with your name and address and we'll get those samples out.
The bottles sold at auto parts stores may be a little higher priced but they treat quite a bit more fuel than our "pour-n-go" powersports size.
We take pride in making products that do what they say they'll do. There are other additives such as Chevron Techron that perform very well, too. Just be sure to do research before purchasing any additive.
Everyone have a great weekend!!
Extreme HDF Member
Joined: Jun 2011
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From: Mountain Top, Alabama
Gas should not be stored for over a year, even if treated.
If you feel you must run it, put it thru an old mower, or even better, ant beds!
Seriously, in the future, cycle it through something from time to time...
If you feel you must run it, put it thru an old mower, or even better, ant beds!
Seriously, in the future, cycle it through something from time to time...