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Old Mar 22, 2016 | 11:45 PM
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Thats great the 2 of 3 codes have not return yet.

You said you added the techron yesterday and am trying to see if codes will stagested to mtry cleared today?

Thats not near enough time running the 1st let alone 2nd of the 2 diff type cleaning procedures i rec you try and not the proper way to do it at all.

You cant rush it & have to be patient because its a process you have to do & follow step by step to have any chance of getting the great results like i posted .

Thats why i gave you step by step instructions to help you out.

So if your trying to see if the codes with stay cleared without running at least 1 full tanke of fuel treated with techron along wqith not running the 02 senrso cleaner after that how can you expect it to work when i already told you to run at least 1 (better yet 2 ) full tanks fuel of treated techron (concentrated version @ 1.5oz perg cal/9oz to 6 gals fuel) thru the motor then after that to also run a full tank of fuel treated with cat & o2 sensor cleaner which sue looks like you not doing 7 expect to get good reults when your not following instruction?

Then after doing the # 1 & 2 cleanups i then said to fill it up again (would be 3rd or 4th full tank) of fresh untreated fuel at this point & run the bike approx 100miles & then clear the codes & see if any emission related codes return after that.

Maybe since there has been multiple issues with re-occurring emission related codes maybe it would be a good idea to also remove a battery cable for a min or 2 to in so many words " reset the main ECM" (to ensure the ECM isn't stuck in some sort of loop ) after you clear the codes after getting approx 100 miles on the last tank of fresh untreated fuel post doing the 2 prior cleaning procedures.

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I'm still running the first tank with the chevron techron and plan on running the second tank and then the o2 sensor cleaner. I was just letting everyone know what is going on in the mean time
 
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Old Mar 23, 2016 | 07:54 AM
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I'm still running the first tank with the chevron techron and plan on running the second tank and then the o2 sensor cleaner. I was just letting everyone know what is going on in the mean time
Sent you a PM go to page 4-96 and follow the trouble shooting guide.
 
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Old Mar 23, 2016 | 07:57 AM
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Sent you a PM go to page 4-96 and follow the trouble shooting guide.
Ok, thanks. I cleared the codes again lastnight and repositioned the front o2 sensor wires because they were kinked and when I got to work this morning, I have code po132 now, not po131 or po152. Maybe my bike has multiple personalities lol.
 
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Old Mar 23, 2016 | 12:55 PM
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Anybody know why the code would change just by repositioning the wire for the o2 sensor? Before I repositioned the wire, the po131 code was coming up. After repositioning the wire, po132 is the only code that comes up. I still haven't hooked the fuelpak back up yet.
 

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Old Mar 23, 2016 | 09:40 PM
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Anybody know why the code would change just by repositioning the wire for the o2 sensor? Before I repositioned the wire, the po131 code was coming up. After repositioning the wire, po132 is the only code that comes up. I still haven't hooked the fuelpak back up yet.
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Well to verify thats truely going on (broken wire within insulation,bad connection within the connectors maybe being corrosion or wear/fretting on the pins/terminals causing issues or even an issue with broken wire where it enters enters the o2 sensor itself casiong an open or short to ground on metal housing of o2 sensor) which you need to try & repeat a few times in a row to verify thats the truly case to avoid chasing a ghost/non existing issue.

Then if you cant get that to consistently happen like you thought its not any of the above poss issues i stated above & you can move on to next round of diagnostics.

Now if you can in fact consistently get that to happen a few times in a row where you clear the code and as soon as touch/wiggle the wire the same code-s reappear ,then there is likely a broken wire within the insulation of the main wire going to the the o2 sensor because just moving the wire to an o2 sensor should not cause that to happen.

Or there's a moisture & corossion or fretting / wear issues with the pins & terminals within either end of the connector going to that particular o2 sensor.

But what ever you do "dont re-attach the fuel pack " until you get this issue fixed because you would be introducing yet another item in the mix again that could have a completely diff unconnected issue of its own going internally your not aware of that could end up sending you in circles diagnostically wasting time,money & effort.

So 1st get the bike fixed to a point there are no more emission related codes appearing for 1 tank of fuel which should be long enough to feel pretty confident you got that particular issues fixed.

Then if no more emission codes re-appear post running a tank of fuel thru the bike then re-attach the fuel pack to see what happens.

If no code re-appear after reinstalling the fuel pack thats great,but if code do reappear then you know the fuel pack either has something something wrong with it internally causing codes to re-appear .

Or the change in tune fuel calibration etc the fuel pack introduces to the motor is far enough off proper tune emissions wise that its causing codes that likely needs to be addressed/corrected by retuning it on a dyno that can measure AFR along with other emission related parameters to get it right/where it belongs.

BTW,have a few questions for you.

* How many miles do you have thus far on the 1st tank of fuel treated with techron @ the 1.5oz per gal fuel mix ratio i rec'd? (apporox 9oz techron per full 6-gal tank)?

* Have already run a full tank of techron (concentrated version) thru the motor (or close to it like 180miles ) .

* If yes have you noticed any improvement in the way the motor runs like idling smoother ,having a bit more pwr/trq,maybe has a bit better crisper feeling throttle response ,etc?

* Lastly,if you have already run a full tank (or 2) of fuel treated with concentrated techron are you now doing the 2nd cleaning i rec you do using the cat & o2 sensor cleaner in a fresh tank of fuel?

Good luck.

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Did you run the O2 tests in the Electrical Diagnostic Manual ?
 
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Originally Posted by wscott
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Well to verify thats truely going on (broken wire within insulation,bad connection within the connectors maybe being corrosion or wear/fretting on the pins/terminals causing issues or even an issue with broken wire where it enters enters the o2 sensor itself casiong an open or short to ground on metal housing of o2 sensor) which you need to try & repeat a few times in a row to verify thats the truly case to avoid chasing a ghost/non existing issue.

Then if you cant get that to consistently happen like you thought its not any of the above poss issues i stated above & you can move on to next round of diagnostics.

Now if you can in fact consistently get that to happen a few times in a row where you clear the code and as soon as touch/wiggle the wire the same code-s reappear ,then there is likely a broken wire within the insulation of the main wire going to the the o2 sensor because just moving the wire to an o2 sensor should not cause that to happen.

Or there's a moisture & corossion or fretting / wear issues with the pins & terminals within either end of the connector going to that particular o2 sensor.

But what ever you do "dont re-attach the fuel pack " until you get this issue fixed because you would be introducing yet another item in the mix again that could have a completely diff unconnected issue of its own going internally your not aware of that could end up sending you in circles diagnostically wasting time,money & effort.

So 1st get the bike fixed to a point there are no more emission related codes appearing for 1 tank of fuel which should be long enough to feel pretty confident you got that particular issues fixed.

Then if no more emission codes re-appear post running a tank of fuel thru the bike then re-attach the fuel pack to see what happens.

If no code re-appear after reinstalling the fuel pack thats great,but if code do reappear then you know the fuel pack either has something something wrong with it internally causing codes to re-appear .

Or the change in tune fuel calibration etc the fuel pack introduces to the motor is far enough off proper tune emissions wise that its causing codes that likely needs to be addressed/corrected by retuning it on a dyno that can measure AFR along with other emission related parameters to get it right/where it belongs.

BTW,have a few questions for you.

* How many miles do you have thus far on the 1st tank of fuel treated with techron @ the 1.5oz per gal fuel mix ratio i rec'd? (apporox 9oz techron per full 6-gal tank)?

* Have already run a full tank of techron (concentrated version) thru the motor (or close to it like 180miles ) .

* If yes have you noticed any improvement in the way the motor runs like idling smoother ,having a bit more pwr/trq,maybe has a bit better crisper feeling throttle response ,etc?

* Lastly,if you have already run a full tank (or 2) of fuel treated with concentrated techron are you now doing the 2nd cleaning i rec you do using the cat & o2 sensor cleaner in a fresh tank of fuel?

Good luck.

Scott
I repositioned the wire for the front o2 sensor lastnight and rode to work this morning. When I got to work there was the po132 code instead of the po131. When I left work to come home, I cleared the code and wiggled the wire on the front o2 sensor and when I got home no codes were present. Going to ride to work tomorrow and see what happens.

Due to working late every day this week, I am unfortunately still working on the first tank of fuel with tachron. I have been able to ride about 60-80 miles so far due to only riding to work and back. Only thing I noticed is maybe a smoother idle. Other than that, haven't noticed much difference.
 
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Did you run the O2 tests in the Electrical Diagnostic Manual ?
Not yet. I will check it out tonight hopefully.
 
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Old Mar 24, 2016 | 02:12 PM
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Originally Posted by bdtaylor1979
I repositioned the wire for the front o2 sensor lastnight and rode to work this morning. When I got to work there was the po132 code instead of the po131. When I left work to come home, I cleared the code and wiggled the wire on the front o2 sensor and when I got home no codes were present. Going to ride to work tomorrow and see what happens.

Due to working late every day this week, I am unfortunately still working on the first tank of fuel with tachron. I have been able to ride about 60-80 miles so far due to only riding to work and back. Only thing I noticed is maybe a smoother idle. Other than that, haven't noticed much difference.
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Thanks for the feedback.

Well even though you only have approx 60-80miles on the 1st tank of fuel treated ewith concentrated Techron its still a good sign when you wiggled front 02 sensor wire-s again & no codes re-appeared prior to the last ride where you said no codes re-appeared when you got home too.

So try wiggling the front 02 sensor wires on your next ride and if no codes reappear that should be a good sigh theres not an issue with the wire & or connector and that it was maybe just a coincidence a code appeared the prior time you moved the 02 wire & or connector.

BTW,having no code reappear on you last ride home is a good sign,if no code re-appear on your next ride i'd say the techron looks to be cleaning things up is doing its job

So since your motor has 100k miles on it without ever having the type cleaning maint i rec at least 1x yrly i strongly rec running a 2nd tank of concentrated Techron at same dose of 9oz techron per full tank/6 gals fuel before filling up a 3rd time to then do the 2nd cleaning i rec dosed with the cat & 02 sensor cleaner like i rec you do in my earlier post to you.

Keep use posted as you get thru the 2nd tank of techron and then after running a tank with o2 sensor & cat cleaner too.

Good luck.

Scott
 
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Not yet. I will check it out tonight hopefully.
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Suggestion,if you run the test & it looks as though 1 or both o2 sensors look to be bad & or questionable (thought motor seems to be running decent at this point)since the motor now running decent dont replace the o2's until you finish both cleaning procedures i rec.

Thats because if all the codes you were getting were caused by dirty fouled o2's like i suspect could be the case my rec 2 step cleaning procedure has a decent chance of fixing that therefore no need to install new o2's .

When you keep them clean doing my rec 2step cleaning process a min of 1x yrly (2x if you put over 7-8k miles on the bike yrly) the o2's can last well over 200k+ miles & still be working decent not causing driveability issues & or chk engine codes which i have 1st hand exp with mult times with our high mileage family vehicles and other higher mileage cars i maintain for a few people i know that use my rec 2 step cleaning process too.

But in general ist's a very good to as yrly maint item (esp with EFI controlled vehicles) to run a min of 1 tank of fuel treated with a healthy/hvy dose of concentrated techron .

Then after that run a 2nd tank of fuel treated with a healthy dose o2 sensor & cat cleaner to which in combo with running Tehcron prior can avoid having issues with 02 sensor & or cat converter emission issues & or codes in vehicles leading to expensive Cat Converter & mult o2 sensor replacement at the local wrench or dealer.

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