cams=hotter engine
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" the engine is running hotter or I feel more heat than before off the engine '
Yet again,here's a good reason to address the excessive heat stock & esp modded HD's generate esp in summer heat.
Here we go again!
Now thats summer is in full swing across the US this (Excessive heat) is something we are going to see posted here time after time with guys posting all sorts of heat related issues form degraded engine perf to heat related rider discomfort issues that can be significantly improved for those that have an open mind that will allow them to do so which isnt always the case.
Since you have already address the lean fuel calibration with auto tune thats a goiod starts ,but if your bike still has a cat gut that too.
Then do what i did to my bike that reduced oil temp 50 deg f in summer heat which made a significant improvement in engine perf & overall riding comfort which was i installed an Ultracool oil cooler with twin cooling fans (KEY TO MAX COOLING) along with Wards fans (Very Worth While Too) both @ the same time.
Doing just that to my 09 flhtcu with basically stockTC-96" resulted in the following:
* reduced oil temp 50deg f.
* cooling oil 50 deg f also reduces overall engine temp @ the same time too so there is a bit less heat hitting the riders making the bike more pleasurable to ride esp in summer heat.
* motor now maintains a solid 18psi @ idle & 45psi+ @ cruise (10-12psi higher!),oil pressure at all times in summer heat. Prior to cooling it was 7-8psi @ idle & 32-35psi ish @ cruise.
* valves / lifters remain quiet.
* motor now retains the pwr/trq & crisp throttle response it used to always loose in summer heat
* hot starts are easier/faster because motor/starter/battery are less heat soaked.
* no more detonation.
Bottom line is no matter what others may say that have never tried addressing heat issues on their HD like i did that i know from 1st exp doing it " any stock to modded air cooled hd " will significantly benefit from installing the 2 cooling mods i did on my HD that cooled oil 50deg f in summer heat .
Any stock or modded HD should obtain the same approx level (or close to it) of improvement in most if not all the areas my bike did post install of the same 2 cooling system mods as stated above.
And when talking an air cooled modded HD motor anything you do that will significantly reduce oil & engine temp will put the motor in a position to maintain more power & perf at all times along with also providing a bit cooler more comfy enjoyable bike to ride @ the same time too.
Happy motoring.
scott
" the engine is running hotter or I feel more heat than before off the engine '
Yet again,here's a good reason to address the excessive heat stock & esp modded HD's generate esp in summer heat.
Here we go again!
Now thats summer is in full swing across the US this (Excessive heat) is something we are going to see posted here time after time with guys posting all sorts of heat related issues form degraded engine perf to heat related rider discomfort issues that can be significantly improved for those that have an open mind that will allow them to do so which isnt always the case.
Since you have already address the lean fuel calibration with auto tune thats a goiod starts ,but if your bike still has a cat gut that too.
Then do what i did to my bike that reduced oil temp 50 deg f in summer heat which made a significant improvement in engine perf & overall riding comfort which was i installed an Ultracool oil cooler with twin cooling fans (KEY TO MAX COOLING) along with Wards fans (Very Worth While Too) both @ the same time.
Doing just that to my 09 flhtcu with basically stockTC-96" resulted in the following:
* reduced oil temp 50deg f.
* cooling oil 50 deg f also reduces overall engine temp @ the same time too so there is a bit less heat hitting the riders making the bike more pleasurable to ride esp in summer heat.
* motor now maintains a solid 18psi @ idle & 45psi+ @ cruise (10-12psi higher!),oil pressure at all times in summer heat. Prior to cooling it was 7-8psi @ idle & 32-35psi ish @ cruise.
* valves / lifters remain quiet.
* motor now retains the pwr/trq & crisp throttle response it used to always loose in summer heat
* hot starts are easier/faster because motor/starter/battery are less heat soaked.
* no more detonation.
Bottom line is no matter what others may say that have never tried addressing heat issues on their HD like i did that i know from 1st exp doing it " any stock to modded air cooled hd " will significantly benefit from installing the 2 cooling mods i did on my HD that cooled oil 50deg f in summer heat .
Any stock or modded HD should obtain the same approx level (or close to it) of improvement in most if not all the areas my bike did post install of the same 2 cooling system mods as stated above.
And when talking an air cooled modded HD motor anything you do that will significantly reduce oil & engine temp will put the motor in a position to maintain more power & perf at all times along with also providing a bit cooler more comfy enjoyable bike to ride @ the same time too.
Happy motoring.
scott
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From: NY
There is no need to spend $600-700 on cooling fans and such in order to get a cooler running machine. I just added a little more fuel to mine when I did my mods and got the exact same effects. I also run synthetic fluids as well. Don't have the power loss or the heat issues at idle or any of the other issues mentioned. Adding fuel was very common in these bikes a few years ago but I guess the dealers went away from it so they could sell more stuff like double oil coolers. These bikes were tested FAR BEYOND the limits that we'll ever take em to and held up perfectly fine. What you did to your bike was for added safety and insurance, and maybe a small bit of playing on your fears. However, spending that amount of money is totally unnecessary when just adding a little more fuel will do the same trick. And I'm at 26k miles since that was done and I have had zero issues with the bike so I know for a fact it works.
" There is no need to spend $600-700 on cooling fans and such in order to get a cooler running machine. "
LOL,guys spend $1k+ for new ex only that may add 15-20hp & few ft lbs trq + - few along the way but dont think spedning $600
to regain approx same amount of hp/trq by cooling the motor that also results in 4-5 additional great improveements in overall engine perf & rider comfort isnt woth it?
What if any sense is there in that statement?
Oh,i guees you know 1st hand from what, " NOT EVER TRYING IT YOURSELF IN THE 1ST PLACE!/GEESH!/LOL!!!
No disrespect intended but your statement i pasted above shows your lack of 1st hand experience & understanding when it comes to just how much summer heat affects air cooled HD's & or what it takes to actually doing anything to address real heat issues on an air cooled hd .
Not having that 1st hand exp doing it like i have is likely why you 7 many others posting here dont have a good understanding of just how much excessive heat has to do with significantly degrading /reducing engine perf & overall rider comfort on an air cooled hd in summer heat.
Tuning /remapping an hd fuel curve will only reduce engine temp a bit that may help reduce or stop detonation & add a few more ponies,end of story.
But adding the 2 cooling mods i did on my & rec others do to that reduce oil temp 50deg f sig reducing engine temp @ same time can not only stop detonation & give the motor back the pwr/trq & crisp throttle response it always losses in summer heat but it also make multiple improvements in engine & overall ridier comfort right off the bat too.
Anyone that knows truly anything about engine perf & has built perf motors weather it be stock or modded bike or car motors knows excessive heat kills perfs in many ways.
Than add to that when talking a lrg disp air cooled hd motor thats suffering significant performance degradation issues riding in excessive summer heat which no amount of fattening fuel map can come close to addressing when reducing oil temp 50deg f & engine temp reduction too like post installing the the 2 cooling mods did for my bike .
But i do rec all guys with newer bike with a cat to remove/gut it & at the very least install an adj enrichement device like nightriders adj resistors either before or along with installing the 2 cooling mods i rec.
How you guys can be so dang blind and or closed minded to that fact is beyond me especially since not one of you non believers have ever tried it but still know better which is total BS till you actually try it,end of story.
How can installing the 2 cooling mods on an air cooled HD that significantly reduces oil & engine temp in summer heat that result in all the great improvements in overall engine perf & rider comfort listed below " not be worth while & or non beneficial " is beyond me.
I just dont get your guys line of thinking on this at all esp when none of you non believers have in fact " never tried it " so in fact dont know have any 1st hand exp when it comes to cooling hd's in summer heat with the 2 cooling mods like i do and or no real world results to report back post riding in summer heat with the 2 cooling mods on my bike when i in fact " actually did it! "./LOL!
And that includes me also seeing the great results few other hd riders i know that got the same approx great results my bike did post install of uc's oil cooler w-twin cooling fans on their bikes making them happy campers for sure.
And now since 1 of those guys saw & experienced such a great improvement in overall engine perf & rider comfort on his bike post install of uc's oil cooler without Wards cooling fans he is now planning to install Wards fans for a max cooling like to obtain best perf & rider comfort riding in summer cond like i have on my bike.
So its in fact not just me being only 1 guy that got lucky with good results post cooling my hd with the 2 cooling mods i rec.
YOU WOULD THINK ANYONE THAT OWNS & RIDES AN AIR COOLED HD IN SUMMER HEAT WOULD DO ANYTHING THEY COULD & OR SPEND A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT BUCKS TO GET ALL THE GREAT & VERY SIGNIFICANT IMPROVEMENTS IN ENGINE PERF & OVERALL RIDER COMFORT I HAVE STATED I OBTAINED POST INSTALLING THE 2 COOLING MODS ON MY BIKE.
SEE LISTED BELOW FOR ALL THE BENEFITS YOUR LEAVING ON THE TABLE BY NOT ADDRESSING THE HEAT ISSUES ON YOUR HD'S USING THE 2 COOLING MODS I USED ON MY BIKE.
* REDUCED OIL TEMP 50DEG F WHILE @ THE SAME TIME SIGNIFICANTLY REDUCING ENGINE TEMP TOO.
* MUCH COOLER RUNNING OIL & MOTOR NOW ALLOWS THE MOTOR TO RETAIN THE PWR/TRQ & CRISP THROTTLE RESPONSE IT ALWAYS LOOSES IN SUMMER HEAT WHICH IS A GREAT IMPROVEMENT & FEELING WHEN RIDING THE BIKE WHICH IS SOMETHING YOU SHOULD ALL RELATE TOO & NOT LIKE WHEN YOUR BIKES LOSE THAT MUCH PERF IN SUMMER HEAT.
* INCREASING OIL PRESSURE A SOLID 10-12PSI @ IDLE (USED TO BE LOW @ 6-7PSI & IS NOW GREAT @ 18PSI) & CRUISE (USED TO BE LOWER @ 32-35PSI ISH & IS NOW GREAT @ A SOLID 45PSI+) IN SUMMER HEAT WHICH IS YET ANOTHER THING WE CAN ALL RELATE TOO & NOT LIKE WHEN YOU SEE IT.
* VALVES & LIFTERS REMAIN QUIET.
* MOTOR STOPPED DETONATING.
* HOT STARTS LIKE POST FUELING UP ARE NOW EASIER/FASTER BECAUSE MOTOR/STARTER/BATTERY ARE NOW LESS HEAT SOAKED.
* SIGNIFICANTLY COOLER RUNNING OIL & MOTOR MEANS GUESS WHAT,LESS HEAT HITTING ME ON THE BIKE RIDING IN SUMMER HEAT.
NOW MOST IF NOT ALL OF THE ABOVE IMPROVEMENTS I GOT ON MY BIKE SHOULD BE THINGS MOST IF NOT ALL OF YOU HD RIDERS SHOULD BE ABLE TO RELATE TO ESP LIKE FOR EXAMPLE:
WHEN YOU ACTUALLY FEEL ALL THE PWR/TRQ & CRISP THROTTLE RESPONSE YOUR AIR COOLED HD'S ALWAYS LOOSE EVERY TIME YOUR RIDING IN SUMMER HEAT MAKING THE MOTOR FEEL LAZY/SOGGY WHICH SUCKS.
BUT LUCKILY MOST IF NOT ALL OF THE PWR/TRQ/THROTTLE RESPONSE LOSS IN SUMMER HEAT WILL BE GONE WHEN YOU ADDRESS THE HEAT ISSUES POST SIGNIFICANTLY REDUCING OIL TEMP 50DEG f IN SUMMER HEAT ALONG WITH SIG REDUCING ENGINE TEMP TOO THAT MAKES THAT ISSUE MOSTLY A THING OF THE PAST.
AND THAT'S ONLY 1 OF THE 4-5 OR SO GREAT IMPROVEMENTS THAT I LISTED ABOVE WHAT ARE AVAIL TO ALL OF YOU POST COOLING THE MOTOR OIL & MOTOR IN GENERAL USING THE SAME 2 MODS I USED " BECAUSE THEY FLAT OUT WORK! ".
How about this,if 1 of you non believers happen live local to me in NY and want to take a ride with me in summer heat sometime to see & hear how my bike perfs & maybe catch lunch someplace bring it on.
And if situation allows maybe even trust each other enough to swap bikes so you can ride mine to feel the lower heat lvl from my bikes motor hitting you,see the gauges showing greatly improved oil temp & oil pressure readings,hear how quiet top end valve train is along with also feeling throttle response that' s still relatively crisp & trq'y to see for yourself what i have been raving about. (But you need to keep in mind my bikes not modded being stock a 96" so it's not big on trq/pwr to begin with esp if your coming off a newer bike with a 103 or older modded 96" bike.)
GEESH!,maybe that will be enough to get the word out that i in fact i haven't been spewing BS trying to help all you " paranoid non believing types " to actually open your closed minds & eye's see the light that could lead to greatly improved overall engine perf & overall riding comfort too especially when riding your HD in summer heat./LOL!
HAPPY MOTORING!
Scott
Last edited by wscott; Jul 6, 2016 at 12:52 AM.
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"But adding the 2 cooling mods i did on my & rec others do to that reduce oil temp 50deg f sig reducing engine temp @ same time can not only stop detonation & give the motor back the pwr/trq & crisp throttle response it always losses in summer heat but it also make multiple improvements in engine & overall ridier comfort right off the bat too."
Do you have non- manufacturer data to back this? Just to clear it up for us "paranoid, non-believing types" for some of us think endorsements for advertising products may be more motive.
Do you have non- manufacturer data to back this? Just to clear it up for us "paranoid, non-believing types" for some of us think endorsements for advertising products may be more motive.
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From: Elk Mound, WI
I purchased PV tuner, AI and Jackpot 4" slip-ons from FM about 1 year after buying my 2012 Ultra. I installed these items along with the tune provided by FM. Using the PV I monitored my front cylinder temp at 230 - 235 while riding at cruising speed on a typical summer day here in the great state of WI (80 - 85 degrees). The engine temp will jump around a bit depending on what I'm doing, such as stop and go traffic, etc. But if I was riding down the road at 55 - 60 mph, 230 - 235 is where it would stay.
Then I rode over to FM and had them install their cat-less ceramic coated headers, Woods TW-222 cams and put it on the dyno. Big difference in everything you'd expect to see a big difference in EXCEPT heat measured on the front cylinder. According to the PV, no change.
No fan. With my set up and what I see and feel from the bike, no need. No extra money spent on a fancier oil cooler. No need.
Have a great humpday!
Then I rode over to FM and had them install their cat-less ceramic coated headers, Woods TW-222 cams and put it on the dyno. Big difference in everything you'd expect to see a big difference in EXCEPT heat measured on the front cylinder. According to the PV, no change.
No fan. With my set up and what I see and feel from the bike, no need. No extra money spent on a fancier oil cooler. No need.
Have a great humpday!
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" There is no need to spend $600-700 on cooling fans and such in order to get a cooler running machine. "
LOL,guys spend $1k+ for new ex only that may add 15-20hp & few ft lbs trq + - few along the way but dont think spedning $600
to regain approx same amount of hp/trq by cooling the motor that also results in 4-5 additional great improveements in overall engine perf & rider comfort isnt woth it?
What if any sense is there in that statement?
Oh,i guees you know 1st hand from what, " NOT EVER TRYING IT YOURSELF IN THE 1ST PLACE!/GEESH!/LOL!!!
No disrespect intended but your statement i pasted above shows your lack of 1st hand experience & understanding when it comes to just how much summer heat affects air cooled HD's & or what it takes to actually doing anything to address real heat issues on an air cooled hd .
Not having that 1st hand exp doing it like i have is likely why you 7 many others posting here dont have a good understanding of just how much excessive heat has to do with significantly degrading /reducing engine perf & overall rider comfort on an air cooled hd in summer heat.
Tuning /remapping an hd fuel curve will only reduce engine temp a bit that may help reduce or stop detonation & add a few more ponies,end of story.
But adding the 2 cooling mods i did on my & rec others do to that reduce oil temp 50deg f sig reducing engine temp @ same time can not only stop detonation & give the motor back the pwr/trq & crisp throttle response it always losses in summer heat but it also make multiple improvements in engine & overall ridier comfort right off the bat too.
Anyone that knows truly anything about engine perf & has built perf motors weather it be stock or modded bike or car motors knows excessive heat kills perfs in many ways.
Than add to that when talking a lrg disp air cooled hd motor thats suffering significant performance degradation issues riding in excessive summer heat which no amount of fattening fuel map can come close to addressing when reducing oil temp 50deg f & engine temp reduction too like post installing the the 2 cooling mods did for my bike .
But i do rec all guys with newer bike with a cat to remove/gut it & at the very least install an adj enrichement device like nightriders adj resistors either before or along with installing the 2 cooling mods i rec.
How you guys can be so dang blind and or closed minded to that fact is beyond me especially since not one of you non believers have ever tried it but still know better which is total BS till you actually try it,end of story.
How can installing the 2 cooling mods on an air cooled HD that significantly reduces oil & engine temp in summer heat that result in all the great improvements in overall engine perf & rider comfort listed below " not be worth while & or non beneficial " is beyond me.
I just dont get your guys line of thinking on this at all esp when none of you non believers have in fact " never tried it " so in fact dont know have any 1st hand exp when it comes to cooling hd's in summer heat with the 2 cooling mods like i do and or no real world results to report back post riding in summer heat with the 2 cooling mods on my bike when i in fact " actually did it! "./LOL!
And that includes me also seeing the great results few other hd riders i know that got the same approx great results my bike did post install of uc's oil cooler w-twin cooling fans on their bikes making them happy campers for sure.
And now since 1 of those guys saw & experienced such a great improvement in overall engine perf & rider comfort on his bike post install of uc's oil cooler without Wards cooling fans he is now planning to install Wards fans for a max cooling like to obtain best perf & rider comfort riding in summer cond like i have on my bike.
So its in fact not just me being only 1 guy that got lucky with good results post cooling my hd with the 2 cooling mods i rec.
YOU WOULD THINK ANYONE THAT OWNS & RIDES AN AIR COOLED HD IN SUMMER HEAT WOULD DO ANYTHING THEY COULD & OR SPEND A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT BUCKS TO GET ALL THE GREAT & VERY SIGNIFICANT IMPROVEMENTS IN ENGINE PERF & OVERALL RIDER COMFORT I HAVE STATED I OBTAINED POST INSTALLING THE 2 COOLING MODS ON MY BIKE.
SEE LISTED BELOW FOR ALL THE BENEFITS YOUR LEAVING ON THE TABLE BY NOT ADDRESSING THE HEAT ISSUES ON YOUR HD'S USING THE 2 COOLING MODS I USED ON MY BIKE.
* REDUCED OIL TEMP 50DEG F WHILE @ THE SAME TIME SIGNIFICANTLY REDUCING ENGINE TEMP TOO.
* MUCH COOLER RUNNING OIL & MOTOR NOW ALLOWS THE MOTOR TO RETAIN THE PWR/TRQ & CRISP THROTTLE RESPONSE IT ALWAYS LOOSES IN SUMMER HEAT WHICH IS A GREAT IMPROVEMENT & FEELING WHEN RIDING THE BIKE WHICH IS SOMETHING YOU SHOULD ALL RELATE TOO & NOT LIKE WHEN YOUR BIKES LOSE THAT MUCH PERF IN SUMMER HEAT.
* INCREASING OIL PRESSURE A SOLID 10-12PSI @ IDLE (USED TO BE LOW @ 6-7PSI & IS NOW GREAT @ 18PSI) & CRUISE (USED TO BE LOWER @ 32-35PSI ISH & IS NOW GREAT @ A SOLID 45PSI+) IN SUMMER HEAT WHICH IS YET ANOTHER THING WE CAN ALL RELATE TOO & NOT LIKE WHEN YOU SEE IT.
* VALVES & LIFTERS REMAIN QUIET.
* MOTOR STOPPED DETONATING.
* HOT STARTS LIKE POST FUELING UP ARE NOW EASIER/FASTER BECAUSE MOTOR/STARTER/BATTERY ARE NOW LESS HEAT SOAKED.
* SIGNIFICANTLY COOLER RUNNING OIL & MOTOR MEANS GUESS WHAT,LESS HEAT HITTING ME ON THE BIKE RIDING IN SUMMER HEAT.
NOW MOST IF NOT ALL OF THE ABOVE IMPROVEMENTS I GOT ON MY BIKE SHOULD BE THINGS MOST IF NOT ALL OF YOU HD RIDERS SHOULD BE ABLE TO RELATE TO ESP LIKE FOR EXAMPLE:
WHEN YOU ACTUALLY FEEL ALL THE PWR/TRQ & CRISP THROTTLE RESPONSE YOUR AIR COOLED HD'S ALWAYS LOOSE EVERY TIME YOUR RIDING IN SUMMER HEAT MAKING THE MOTOR FEEL LAZY/SOGGY WHICH SUCKS.
BUT LUCKILY MOST IF NOT ALL OF THE PWR/TRQ/THROTTLE RESPONSE LOSS IN SUMMER HEAT WILL BE GONE WHEN YOU ADDRESS THE HEAT ISSUES POST SIGNIFICANTLY REDUCING OIL TEMP 50DEG f IN SUMMER HEAT ALONG WITH SIG REDUCING ENGINE TEMP TOO THAT MAKES THAT ISSUE MOSTLY A THING OF THE PAST.
AND THAT'S ONLY 1 OF THE 4-5 OR SO GREAT IMPROVEMENTS THAT I LISTED ABOVE WHAT ARE AVAIL TO ALL OF YOU POST COOLING THE MOTOR OIL & MOTOR IN GENERAL USING THE SAME 2 MODS I USED " BECAUSE THEY FLAT OUT WORK! ".
How about this,if 1 of you non believers happen live local to me in NY and want to take a ride with me in summer heat sometime to see & hear how my bike perfs & maybe catch lunch someplace bring it on.
And if situation allows maybe even trust each other enough to swap bikes so you can ride mine to feel the lower heat lvl from my bikes motor hitting you,see the gauges showing greatly improved oil temp & oil pressure readings,hear how quiet top end valve train is along with also feeling throttle response that' s still relatively crisp & trq'y to see for yourself what i have been raving about. (But you need to keep in mind my bikes not modded being stock a 96" so it's not big on trq/pwr to begin with esp if your coming off a newer bike with a 103 or older modded 96" bike.)
GEESH!,maybe that will be enough to get the word out that i in fact i haven't been spewing BS trying to help all you " paranoid non believing types " to actually open your closed minds & eye's see the light that could lead to greatly improved overall engine perf & overall riding comfort too especially when riding your HD in summer heat./LOL!
HAPPY MOTORING!
Scott
" There is no need to spend $600-700 on cooling fans and such in order to get a cooler running machine. "
LOL,guys spend $1k+ for new ex only that may add 15-20hp & few ft lbs trq + - few along the way but dont think spedning $600
to regain approx same amount of hp/trq by cooling the motor that also results in 4-5 additional great improveements in overall engine perf & rider comfort isnt woth it?
What if any sense is there in that statement?
Oh,i guees you know 1st hand from what, " NOT EVER TRYING IT YOURSELF IN THE 1ST PLACE!/GEESH!/LOL!!!
No disrespect intended but your statement i pasted above shows your lack of 1st hand experience & understanding when it comes to just how much summer heat affects air cooled HD's & or what it takes to actually doing anything to address real heat issues on an air cooled hd .
Not having that 1st hand exp doing it like i have is likely why you 7 many others posting here dont have a good understanding of just how much excessive heat has to do with significantly degrading /reducing engine perf & overall rider comfort on an air cooled hd in summer heat.
Tuning /remapping an hd fuel curve will only reduce engine temp a bit that may help reduce or stop detonation & add a few more ponies,end of story.
But adding the 2 cooling mods i did on my & rec others do to that reduce oil temp 50deg f sig reducing engine temp @ same time can not only stop detonation & give the motor back the pwr/trq & crisp throttle response it always losses in summer heat but it also make multiple improvements in engine & overall ridier comfort right off the bat too.
Anyone that knows truly anything about engine perf & has built perf motors weather it be stock or modded bike or car motors knows excessive heat kills perfs in many ways.
Than add to that when talking a lrg disp air cooled hd motor thats suffering significant performance degradation issues riding in excessive summer heat which no amount of fattening fuel map can come close to addressing when reducing oil temp 50deg f & engine temp reduction too like post installing the the 2 cooling mods did for my bike .
But i do rec all guys with newer bike with a cat to remove/gut it & at the very least install an adj enrichement device like nightriders adj resistors either before or along with installing the 2 cooling mods i rec.
How you guys can be so dang blind and or closed minded to that fact is beyond me especially since not one of you non believers have ever tried it but still know better which is total BS till you actually try it,end of story.
How can installing the 2 cooling mods on an air cooled HD that significantly reduces oil & engine temp in summer heat that result in all the great improvements in overall engine perf & rider comfort listed below " not be worth while & or non beneficial " is beyond me.
I just dont get your guys line of thinking on this at all esp when none of you non believers have in fact " never tried it " so in fact dont know have any 1st hand exp when it comes to cooling hd's in summer heat with the 2 cooling mods like i do and or no real world results to report back post riding in summer heat with the 2 cooling mods on my bike when i in fact " actually did it! "./LOL!
And that includes me also seeing the great results few other hd riders i know that got the same approx great results my bike did post install of uc's oil cooler w-twin cooling fans on their bikes making them happy campers for sure.
And now since 1 of those guys saw & experienced such a great improvement in overall engine perf & rider comfort on his bike post install of uc's oil cooler without Wards cooling fans he is now planning to install Wards fans for a max cooling like to obtain best perf & rider comfort riding in summer cond like i have on my bike.
So its in fact not just me being only 1 guy that got lucky with good results post cooling my hd with the 2 cooling mods i rec.
YOU WOULD THINK ANYONE THAT OWNS & RIDES AN AIR COOLED HD IN SUMMER HEAT WOULD DO ANYTHING THEY COULD & OR SPEND A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT BUCKS TO GET ALL THE GREAT & VERY SIGNIFICANT IMPROVEMENTS IN ENGINE PERF & OVERALL RIDER COMFORT I HAVE STATED I OBTAINED POST INSTALLING THE 2 COOLING MODS ON MY BIKE.
SEE LISTED BELOW FOR ALL THE BENEFITS YOUR LEAVING ON THE TABLE BY NOT ADDRESSING THE HEAT ISSUES ON YOUR HD'S USING THE 2 COOLING MODS I USED ON MY BIKE.
* REDUCED OIL TEMP 50DEG F WHILE @ THE SAME TIME SIGNIFICANTLY REDUCING ENGINE TEMP TOO.
* MUCH COOLER RUNNING OIL & MOTOR NOW ALLOWS THE MOTOR TO RETAIN THE PWR/TRQ & CRISP THROTTLE RESPONSE IT ALWAYS LOOSES IN SUMMER HEAT WHICH IS A GREAT IMPROVEMENT & FEELING WHEN RIDING THE BIKE WHICH IS SOMETHING YOU SHOULD ALL RELATE TOO & NOT LIKE WHEN YOUR BIKES LOSE THAT MUCH PERF IN SUMMER HEAT.
* INCREASING OIL PRESSURE A SOLID 10-12PSI @ IDLE (USED TO BE LOW @ 6-7PSI & IS NOW GREAT @ 18PSI) & CRUISE (USED TO BE LOWER @ 32-35PSI ISH & IS NOW GREAT @ A SOLID 45PSI+) IN SUMMER HEAT WHICH IS YET ANOTHER THING WE CAN ALL RELATE TOO & NOT LIKE WHEN YOU SEE IT.
* VALVES & LIFTERS REMAIN QUIET.
* MOTOR STOPPED DETONATING.
* HOT STARTS LIKE POST FUELING UP ARE NOW EASIER/FASTER BECAUSE MOTOR/STARTER/BATTERY ARE NOW LESS HEAT SOAKED.
* SIGNIFICANTLY COOLER RUNNING OIL & MOTOR MEANS GUESS WHAT,LESS HEAT HITTING ME ON THE BIKE RIDING IN SUMMER HEAT.
NOW MOST IF NOT ALL OF THE ABOVE IMPROVEMENTS I GOT ON MY BIKE SHOULD BE THINGS MOST IF NOT ALL OF YOU HD RIDERS SHOULD BE ABLE TO RELATE TO ESP LIKE FOR EXAMPLE:
WHEN YOU ACTUALLY FEEL ALL THE PWR/TRQ & CRISP THROTTLE RESPONSE YOUR AIR COOLED HD'S ALWAYS LOOSE EVERY TIME YOUR RIDING IN SUMMER HEAT MAKING THE MOTOR FEEL LAZY/SOGGY WHICH SUCKS.
BUT LUCKILY MOST IF NOT ALL OF THE PWR/TRQ/THROTTLE RESPONSE LOSS IN SUMMER HEAT WILL BE GONE WHEN YOU ADDRESS THE HEAT ISSUES POST SIGNIFICANTLY REDUCING OIL TEMP 50DEG f IN SUMMER HEAT ALONG WITH SIG REDUCING ENGINE TEMP TOO THAT MAKES THAT ISSUE MOSTLY A THING OF THE PAST.
AND THAT'S ONLY 1 OF THE 4-5 OR SO GREAT IMPROVEMENTS THAT I LISTED ABOVE WHAT ARE AVAIL TO ALL OF YOU POST COOLING THE MOTOR OIL & MOTOR IN GENERAL USING THE SAME 2 MODS I USED " BECAUSE THEY FLAT OUT WORK! ".
How about this,if 1 of you non believers happen live local to me in NY and want to take a ride with me in summer heat sometime to see & hear how my bike perfs & maybe catch lunch someplace bring it on.
And if situation allows maybe even trust each other enough to swap bikes so you can ride mine to feel the lower heat lvl from my bikes motor hitting you,see the gauges showing greatly improved oil temp & oil pressure readings,hear how quiet top end valve train is along with also feeling throttle response that' s still relatively crisp & trq'y to see for yourself what i have been raving about. (But you need to keep in mind my bikes not modded being stock a 96" so it's not big on trq/pwr to begin with esp if your coming off a newer bike with a 103 or older modded 96" bike.)
GEESH!,maybe that will be enough to get the word out that i in fact i haven't been spewing BS trying to help all you " paranoid non believing types " to actually open your closed minds & eye's see the light that could lead to greatly improved overall engine perf & overall riding comfort too especially when riding your HD in summer heat./LOL!
HAPPY MOTORING!
Scott
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Way to much yammering in his posts to even read them. I must have A.D.D. when it comes to reading that much.
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