What Tuner is best ??
Seasoned HDF Member
Joined: Sep 2008
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From: San Diego, CA
In any case, you used to be able to buy a one time download from HD for the different mod stages, for about $189. The MoCo no longer offers those... now you need to buy their (EPA compliant only) tuner....
In your case, a tuner with a good map will make your bike run better than the HD download... but maybe not $400 better. If you plan on never doing any other mods, probably good with what you have.
I bought an '03 Heritage new in 2003. I waited about 6 months, and did an all HD 95" big bore kit (included; SE-A/C, SE203 cams, SE 95" jugs, SE flat top pistons, HD Stage II download, and I added V&H Big Shot exhaust).
It made a big difference over stock, and ran great.
In 2012, I bought a PowerVision for my '12 Limited, and added my '03 Heritage onto the PV for the additional $199 license fee. FuelMoto didn't have a MAP for my combo, so I contacted DynoJet and sent them my HD download map and the list of my components.
I have no idea how they modified my map, but when I flashed it to the bike, a bike that ran great, it ran significantly better than before.... I was very happy with the change...
Road Master
Joined: May 2012
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From: Vermont
Keep in mind that in order to meet nation wide emission restrictions anything coming out of the factory will be set up to run lean fuel mixtures. Lean fuel mixtures equate to more heat. More heat equates to compromised engine longevity. Even if your perfectly happy with the performance of your Harley it would be in your interest to install a tuner if for no other reason than to get the bike running a little cooler!!! The most important thing as mentioned in previous posts is to get a competent person to write the tune.
Last edited by turbotom1052; Apr 28, 2018 at 04:12 AM.
Road Warrior
Joined: May 2012
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From: Southeast NC
i just installed a FP3 and i have a stage 1. i think it works awesome. It has many adjustments on it and also autotune which worked fantastic on my Ultra. The best part about it is i dont need to hook it up to a laptop to get maps. everything is done on my iPhone including a map that V and H sent me. Ease of use and convenience is key for a simple stage one to me. I dont think you are going to turn your bike into a rocket ship with any stage one and a tuner. Id venture to say that the FP3 is much better than the Fuelpack.
Stage III
Joined: Sep 2019
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From: Ohio
Anything that piggy backs is not good
Lefty, your right, I don't need your help. Either you cant read or did not read the thread clearly. I was never asking anyone to help me make a decision about making changes to my bike, that how your ignorant *** responded.
I was simply asking for an opinion on a Fuel Pak Product, nothing more.
I was simply asking for an opinion on a Fuel Pak Product, nothing more.
If its not a true flash to your ecm.
Then you dont want it.
Just consider
Your ecm remains un affected .
The fp3 takes the stock settings and then alters it to said setting .
Then the sensors on your bike sends backinfo on what the engine is doing.
It doesnt send it back to fp3.
It send it to the ecm.
Then it get processed there and based on what command such as throttle rpm air flow you name it.
The ecm processes it then it will send that info to fp3.
Then fp3 processes it.
Then alters the signal based on what you have said you want.
To much time has elapsed to ever get an engine to respond properly or i should say
When speaking in milliseconds.
The event you were trying to correct has already went and gone.
You may not notice it cause it would make the response say many cycles later achieving what you asked for previous.
There is a delay or latency that you will never over come
Thats just how it is?
You dont need two computers to calculate what you should have done the first time .
Sorry
Spend the money by a new brain such as thundermax or using a proper flashing tool.
But never go piggy back
Just my opinion
Factually accurate opinion
Last edited by Jeff Watkins; Sep 12, 2019 at 08:06 PM.
Road Master
Joined: Jan 2017
Posts: 866
Likes: 248
From: N.Y.C
Anything that piggy backs like the fp3 is not good.
If its not a true flash to your ecm.
Then you dont want it.
Just consider
Your ecm remains un affected .
The fp3 takes the stock settings and then alters it to said setting .
Then the sensors on your bike sends backinfo on what the engine is doing.
It doesnt send it back to fp3.
It send it to the ecm.
Then it get processed there and based on what command such as throttle rpm air flow you name it.
The ecm processes it then it will send that info to fp3.
Then fp3 processes it.
Then alters the signal based on what you have said you want.
To much time has elapsed to ever get an engine to respond properly or i should say
When speaking in milliseconds.
The event you were trying to correct has already went and gone.
You may not notice it cause it would make the response say many cycles later achieving what you asked for previous.
There is a delay or latency that you will never over come
Thats just how it is?
You dont need two computers to calculate what you should have done the first time .
Sorry
Spend the money by a new brain such as thundermax or using a proper flashing tool.
But never go piggy back
Just my opinion
Factually accurate opinion
If its not a true flash to your ecm.
Then you dont want it.
Just consider
Your ecm remains un affected .
The fp3 takes the stock settings and then alters it to said setting .
Then the sensors on your bike sends backinfo on what the engine is doing.
It doesnt send it back to fp3.
It send it to the ecm.
Then it get processed there and based on what command such as throttle rpm air flow you name it.
The ecm processes it then it will send that info to fp3.
Then fp3 processes it.
Then alters the signal based on what you have said you want.
To much time has elapsed to ever get an engine to respond properly or i should say
When speaking in milliseconds.
The event you were trying to correct has already went and gone.
You may not notice it cause it would make the response say many cycles later achieving what you asked for previous.
There is a delay or latency that you will never over come
Thats just how it is?
You dont need two computers to calculate what you should have done the first time .
Sorry
Spend the money by a new brain such as thundermax or using a proper flashing tool.
But never go piggy back
Just my opinion
Factually accurate opinion
Stage III
Joined: Sep 2019
Posts: 3
Likes: 0
From: Ohio
Vance and hines is probably the fastest man to ever set foot on a bike.
That being said.
I should have clarified .
If you flash your ecm and then disconnect you are ok
I promise you the ecm vaince and hines uses is not a stock harley ecm.
In the stock ecm
You have no abilty to work with turbos.
For the average folks like myself.
I stick with the screaming eagle tuner.
I have all my dyno work done by nate at sportys trike and bike.
For many reasons.
They deliver what i ask for.
And to much power in ones hand can cost us thousands of dollars.
I have a 120 screaming eagle
Running the 657 redshift cams.
138 / 145 hp/torque
Alot of my friends use fp3.
All they do is play with it and never get anywhere that makes them happy lol
But have at it.
But i like thundermax or direct link
But i use the screaming eagle for warranty purposes.
Ive got the Power Vision installed on a softail, and after trying out a couple of Fuel Moto written maps, and a bit of auto tuning ive managed to get the bike running pretty damn good. Ive also got a Dyna with a Thundermax installed and although you dont have all the fancy gauge options of the Power vision the Thundermax equipped bike runs MUCH better. Its the wide band 02 sensors of the Thundermax that I believe has it running so much better. That said I think that if I were to spend the coin upgrading the Power Vision to Target Tune id have the best of both worlds.
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Stage III
Joined: Sep 2019
Posts: 3
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From: Ohio
With thundermax you can run turbos or any application cause you can map new sensors.
Kinda like a plc
If you need it make it
It really comes down to good exhaust and the right choice in cams
I pick my cams by the duration not the lift
Large lift doesnt mean good cam
Last edited by Jeff Watkins; Sep 13, 2019 at 09:19 PM.
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Joined: Sep 2010
Posts: 3,580
Likes: 215
From: Illinois
Yep
With thundermax you can run turbos or any application cause you can map new sensors.
Kinda like a plc
If you need it make it
It really comes down to good exhaust and the right choice in cams
I pick my cams by the duration not the lift
Large lift doesnt mean good cam
With thundermax you can run turbos or any application cause you can map new sensors.
Kinda like a plc
If you need it make it
It really comes down to good exhaust and the right choice in cams
I pick my cams by the duration not the lift
Large lift doesnt mean good cam
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