Be Very Aware
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RE: Be Very Aware
Last year, I bought a chain saw from a company on the west coast. I used my debit card, and ordered over the phone. A week later, I start getting notices (up to 3 a day) that my checking is overdrawn, and I'm getting $35.00 fees for overdraft. SOMEONE had been using my card number to buy video games on e-bay. Luckily, my daughter worked at the bank, and helped me get the mess cleared up. They gave me my money back, and wiped out the overdraft fees.
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From: Omaha Nebraska
RE: Be Very Aware
ORIGINAL: glens
Data is only as secure as the human element involved in handling it. Aside from that fundamental truth, I'll never understand how people/companies can and do so readily rely on closed-source widely-used computer stuff such as Microsoft products. It totally boggles the mind...
In the case of the thread-starter, it could well have been something as simple as that the person taking the number wrote it down on a pad of paper or a post-it note and a counter customer saw it; maybe even took it. Maybe they threw the note into the dumpster in the alley. Maybe an unscrupulous employee. Maybe the outfit was using an unsecured cordless phone when they took the number and another was listening. Probably they entered it into the computer which is running Windows and is connected in any way to a public network and has been compromised (how many times?). The possibilities really are countless.
Privacy is like virginity. Once it's gone it's gone.
Data is only as secure as the human element involved in handling it. Aside from that fundamental truth, I'll never understand how people/companies can and do so readily rely on closed-source widely-used computer stuff such as Microsoft products. It totally boggles the mind...
In the case of the thread-starter, it could well have been something as simple as that the person taking the number wrote it down on a pad of paper or a post-it note and a counter customer saw it; maybe even took it. Maybe they threw the note into the dumpster in the alley. Maybe an unscrupulous employee. Maybe the outfit was using an unsecured cordless phone when they took the number and another was listening. Probably they entered it into the computer which is running Windows and is connected in any way to a public network and has been compromised (how many times?). The possibilities really are countless.
Privacy is like virginity. Once it's gone it's gone.
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RE: Be Very Aware
ORIGINAL: petemac
Glad that wasn't me....I would have fit the profile and would have been screwed!
Actually they might have called and asked why only 10 sites this month. 
Glad that wasn't me....I would have fit the profile and would have been screwed!
Actually they might have called and asked why only 10 sites this month.
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RE: Be Very Aware
ORIGINAL: FLHT
I agree with everything you have just said, there are many possibilities. In my mind it was the guy that took my numbers or at very least his responsibility to safeguard those numbers. I now have the IP address from the computer that has done this. And I hope I get to the bottom of it. Meanwhile all funds have been returned and the account no longer exists. If I ever find out without a doubt I will post the Company Name, I think it may come as a surprise.
ORIGINAL: glens
Data is only as secure as the human element involved in handling it. Aside from that fundamental truth, I'll never understand how people/companies can and do so readily rely on closed-source widely-used computer stuff such as Microsoft products. It totally boggles the mind...
In the case of the thread-starter, it could well have been something as simple as that the person taking the number wrote it down on a pad of paper or a post-it note and a counter customer saw it; maybe even took it. Maybe they threw the note into the dumpster in the alley. Maybe an unscrupulous employee. Maybe the outfit was using an unsecured cordless phone when they took the number and another was listening. Probably they entered it into the computer which is running Windows and is connected in any way to a public network and has been compromised (how many times?). The possibilities really are countless.
Privacy is like virginity. Once it's gone it's gone.
Data is only as secure as the human element involved in handling it. Aside from that fundamental truth, I'll never understand how people/companies can and do so readily rely on closed-source widely-used computer stuff such as Microsoft products. It totally boggles the mind...
In the case of the thread-starter, it could well have been something as simple as that the person taking the number wrote it down on a pad of paper or a post-it note and a counter customer saw it; maybe even took it. Maybe they threw the note into the dumpster in the alley. Maybe an unscrupulous employee. Maybe the outfit was using an unsecured cordless phone when they took the number and another was listening. Probably they entered it into the computer which is running Windows and is connected in any way to a public network and has been compromised (how many times?). The possibilities really are countless.
Privacy is like virginity. Once it's gone it's gone.
It could just be an employee, that they are not aware of doing such things, and they should be given the ability to remove said employee from thier roles.
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From: Birmingham, AL
RE: Be Very Aware
ORIGINAL: ozy
Many card companies these days will give you a different card number to use if you are concerned about security.You call up discovisacard and tell them you want to make an online purchase of $321.08 and they will give you a valid card number to use that is only good one time and for that amount and is linked to your existing account. Not all card providers do it but some do and more are doing it all the time. Some may charge of bit but paranoia ain't cheap.
Many card companies these days will give you a different card number to use if you are concerned about security.You call up discovisacard and tell them you want to make an online purchase of $321.08 and they will give you a valid card number to use that is only good one time and for that amount and is linked to your existing account. Not all card providers do it but some do and more are doing it all the time. Some may charge of bit but paranoia ain't cheap.
Drel
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RE: Be Very Aware
ORIGINAL: FLHT
If I ever find out without a doubt I will post the Company Name, I think it may come as a surprise.
If I ever find out without a doubt I will post the Company Name, I think it may come as a surprise.
But if you say it would come asa surprise(meaning shock us) I might be inclined to say Fuelmoto for no particular reason otherthan coming as a surprise.
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From: Dover, Oh
RE: Be Very Aware
ORIGINAL: FLHT
This is just meant to be a public service announcement.
I have always been very cautious about who and where I give my credit card information to. With that being said. You cant even trust giving that information over the phone. Just last Friday I had given my information to a company over the phone and by Sunday I had supposedly signed up for about 10 **** sites. My bank saw that it wasn't fitting my profile of spending and time of day and shut it down. I am sure I know who it was because of the fact it was an older re-issued card but with a new security code on the back and I have only given this out once. If I were to state the name of the business everyone would recognize it. But I will not do that at this time.
This is just meant to be a public service announcement.
I have always been very cautious about who and where I give my credit card information to. With that being said. You cant even trust giving that information over the phone. Just last Friday I had given my information to a company over the phone and by Sunday I had supposedly signed up for about 10 **** sites. My bank saw that it wasn't fitting my profile of spending and time of day and shut it down. I am sure I know who it was because of the fact it was an older re-issued card but with a new security code on the back and I have only given this out once. If I were to state the name of the business everyone would recognize it. But I will not do that at this time.
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From: Dover, Oh
RE: Be Very Aware
ORIGINAL: ozy
Many card companies these days will give you a different card number to use if you are concerned about security.You call up discovisacard and tell them you want to make an online purchase of $321.08 and they will give you a valid card number to use that is only good one time and for that amount and is linked to your existing account. Not all card providers do it but some do and more are doing it all the time. Some may charge of bit but paranoia ain't cheap.
Many card companies these days will give you a different card number to use if you are concerned about security.You call up discovisacard and tell them you want to make an online purchase of $321.08 and they will give you a valid card number to use that is only good one time and for that amount and is linked to your existing account. Not all card providers do it but some do and more are doing it all the time. Some may charge of bit but paranoia ain't cheap.
I am one of these people who get mad at some of the precautions credit card companies take these days... DISCOVER I love the card ot death but their practices sometimes SUCK!!!!
For example And I am sure it is with everyone that has a card with them they will shut it off ALL the darn time for what they call wierd, strange or different buying. Well It was the middle of the night and i was coming back from Oregon through Northern Nevada... get to a pump at about 2am and go to fill up and the Discover card is shut off.... I have other cards so it is a little more of an inconvienence then anything but I get back into phone service and call them and ask them why.... they said Gas had been purchased in more then three states in a 24 hour period and it looked suspicious. I said... like what? I was traveling...