Warranty vs. Redshift 468
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Road Master
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From: Providence Forge, VA
Correction, By removing the stock headpipes and the cats in them you already technically voided your warranty. Your dealer may cover an engine related failure but if an HD Rep had to come out to view the power train failure they would deny it due to non EPA and Harley approved pipes.
Good point!
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Road Master
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From: Providence Forge, VA
There is something that scares me about replacing the entire ECM with an aftermarket unit. Doesn't the ECM control a ton of functions, some of which are not completely related to the engine?
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There is no way I would change the ECM in my main touring bike for the reasons pointed out above namely unfamiliarity at a dealership or an indie if on a trip.
Theres a particular confidence due to component familiarity when staying with standard products such as the ECM by all parties especially when youre traveling.
For me when on the road, I would rather have the HD unit while being told by a dealership service writer no warranty however we can get you back on the road. You already know theres no warranty and worst case you have to reflash your map with either a TTS or PV map.
There seems to a large number of PV vendors and users including HD dealerships and that can be a great resource as well. TTS seems not as mainstream as PV and thats not be confused with being an effective product.
I am not bashing T-Max as I use a T-Max unit in my project bike and it works great. I have never used TTS however we may give it a try on future build as learning experience.
Theres a particular confidence due to component familiarity when staying with standard products such as the ECM by all parties especially when youre traveling.
For me when on the road, I would rather have the HD unit while being told by a dealership service writer no warranty however we can get you back on the road. You already know theres no warranty and worst case you have to reflash your map with either a TTS or PV map.
There seems to a large number of PV vendors and users including HD dealerships and that can be a great resource as well. TTS seems not as mainstream as PV and thats not be confused with being an effective product.
I am not bashing T-Max as I use a T-Max unit in my project bike and it works great. I have never used TTS however we may give it a try on future build as learning experience.
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Road Master
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From: Providence Forge, VA
There is no way I would change the ECM in my main touring bike for the reasons pointed out above namely unfamiliarity at a dealership or an indie if on a trip.
Theres a particular confidence due to component familiarity when staying with standard products such as the ECM by all parties especially when youre traveling.
For me when on the road, I would rather have the HD unit while being told by a dealership service writer no warranty however we can get you back on the road. You already know theres no warranty and worst case you have to reflash your map with either a TTS or PV map.
There seems to a large number of PV vendors and users including HD dealerships and that can be a great resource as well. TTS seems not as mainstream as PV and thats not be confused with being an effective product.
I am not bashing T-Max as I use a T-Max unit in my project bike and it works great. I have never used TTS however we may give it a try on future build as learning experience.
Theres a particular confidence due to component familiarity when staying with standard products such as the ECM by all parties especially when youre traveling.
For me when on the road, I would rather have the HD unit while being told by a dealership service writer no warranty however we can get you back on the road. You already know theres no warranty and worst case you have to reflash your map with either a TTS or PV map.
There seems to a large number of PV vendors and users including HD dealerships and that can be a great resource as well. TTS seems not as mainstream as PV and thats not be confused with being an effective product.
I am not bashing T-Max as I use a T-Max unit in my project bike and it works great. I have never used TTS however we may give it a try on future build as learning experience.
I have decided to go with Power Vision and ordered a unit. I have a few questions related to the Power Vision but I will start a new thread with those questions.
Thank you to everyone for your input and thoughts. This is what makes this forum so great.
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These are excellent points! I spoke to the Service Department Manager at my favorite dealership and before I could even get the word Thundermax out of my mouth he and a couple of other guys were already shaking their heads no. They were opposed to the Thundermax because it replaces the stock ECM. He gave me several examples of non-engine related functions that is controlled by the ECM. He saidmaccessing and diagnosing these functions is much more complicated and limited using the Thundermax ECM or impossible. He said that if a bike comes in with a problem related to the Thundermax, they simply refuse to work on it.
I have decided to go with Power Vision and ordered a unit. I have a few questions related to the Power Vision but I will start a new thread with those questions.
Thank you to everyone for your input and thoughts. This is what makes this forum so great.
I have decided to go with Power Vision and ordered a unit. I have a few questions related to the Power Vision but I will start a new thread with those questions.
Thank you to everyone for your input and thoughts. This is what makes this forum so great.
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TTS is THE original flash tuner for HD, and any tuner who has been doing this for a living for more than a few years has used them. They supplied HD with the Screamin Eagle Race Tuner (SERT) First to incorporate analog wideband data in the ECM tuning via the Green VCI. It is also the only product that includes software to analyze cam timing, warmup steps, and EGR effect, and the screen size is whatever your monitor is.
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Road Master
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From: Providence Forge, VA
Thanks. I am excited.
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Huh. TTS was used to tune my bike and gets two thumbs up from me. Whatever works for ya I guess.
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sorry I got the thunder max confused with the TTS. Musta brain farted there.