idiots guide to fuel managent?????????
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From: SW Minnesota
RE: idiots guide to fuel managent?????????
relli, here's a really good, easy to understand article from Joe Minton from American Rider magazine, explaining one of the simple "black boxes" you can buy, in this case, a Cobra.
http://www.americanrider.com/output.cfm?id=1291411
You can control idle/cruise, mid range, and wide open fuel settings, just like the old carbs where you had jets and needles that you could change. The bike's stock ECM is still used.
The more sophisticated ones give you multiple settings in each category, and may or may not replace the stock ECM, and may allow you to also control such things as timing, and even calibrate your electronic speedometer.
http://www.americanrider.com/output.cfm?id=1291411
You can control idle/cruise, mid range, and wide open fuel settings, just like the old carbs where you had jets and needles that you could change. The bike's stock ECM is still used.
The more sophisticated ones give you multiple settings in each category, and may or may not replace the stock ECM, and may allow you to also control such things as timing, and even calibrate your electronic speedometer.
Road Warrior
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From: North West Ohio
RE: idiots guide to fuel managent?????????
ORIGINAL: DonnyI
www.fuelmotousa.com will pre-program a PCIII for your specific combo & double the warranty. Good prices with customer service. They also offer exhaust/air filter packages. Fuel Moto is the USA's #1 Top selling Power Commander Dealer and tuner!
www.fuelmotousa.com will pre-program a PCIII for your specific combo & double the warranty. Good prices with customer service. They also offer exhaust/air filter packages. Fuel Moto is the USA's #1 Top selling Power Commander Dealer and tuner!
Ride Safe,
Mike
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From: My Mom
RE: idiots guide to fuel managent?????????
ORIGINAL: sifularson
The PCIII on my bike works great. I have heard good things about the V&H fuelpak as far as reliability. I also know that it's mount is way better than the cheezy wire tie method that you have to use on the PCIII. Believe me, it really sucks.
If I had to do it over again . . . V&H.
If I had the $$$$ - ThunderMax
If I had a dyno to use for cheap . . . SERT (maybe)
What I have . . . PCIII
They all work. Hope this helps you pick one.
Can onyone back me up on this or am I FOS??? Let me know guys.
Steve
The PCIII on my bike works great. I have heard good things about the V&H fuelpak as far as reliability. I also know that it's mount is way better than the cheezy wire tie method that you have to use on the PCIII. Believe me, it really sucks.
If I had to do it over again . . . V&H.
If I had the $$$$ - ThunderMax
If I had a dyno to use for cheap . . . SERT (maybe)
What I have . . . PCIII
They all work. Hope this helps you pick one.
Can onyone back me up on this or am I FOS??? Let me know guys.
Steve
Why would you do the V&H before the PCIII...its my understanding that you are not able to manipulate the timing on the fule pack....but you definitely can on the PCIII...this could be important should you begin to build you beast. I needed to retard timing on mine in certain areas to get rid of detonation. I'm not saying its the best product but I want control over a/f & TIMING.
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From: My Mom
RE: idiots guide to fuel managent?????????
ORIGINAL: relli
this whole fuel management thing confuses me.if you take the approach that ive never had any exp with one , which one would be: the easiest, simplest one to use and install? are most plug and play? reliable?slip ons, exhausts, a/c pose no problems for me. but ive never done anything like a fuel mod. thanks
oh yeah. i still havent had the 0903 / 1191 fuel related computer flashes done yet. do them first???
this whole fuel management thing confuses me.if you take the approach that ive never had any exp with one , which one would be: the easiest, simplest one to use and install? are most plug and play? reliable?slip ons, exhausts, a/c pose no problems for me. but ive never done anything like a fuel mod. thanks
oh yeah. i still havent had the 0903 / 1191 fuel related computer flashes done yet. do them first???
Road Master
Joined: Jan 2007
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From: Glenn Heights,TX now in Vegas
RE: idiots guide to fuel managent?????????
From what I have heard the Arlen Ness Big Shot is the Cobra repackaged. Thats what I went with it was cheapest and the easiest. YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR. It seems only to add fuel in the selected ranges. I get alot off decell popping. I asked the guys at Arlen Ness here in town they told me that "you need to mess with it". I have and don't see much if any difference from one end of the scale to the other.
I wish I would have waited and saved longer for at least the fuel pac.
I wish I would have waited and saved longer for at least the fuel pac.
ORIGINAL: MNPGRider
relli, here's a really good, easy to understand article from Joe Minton from American Rider magazine, explaining one of the simple "black boxes" you can buy, in this case, a Cobra.
http://www.americanrider.com/output.cfm?id=1291411
You can control idle/cruise, mid range, and wide open fuel settings, just like the old carbs where you had jets and needles that you could change. The bike's stock ECM is still used.
The more sophisticated ones give you multiple settings in each category, and may or may not replace the stock ECM, and may allow you to also control such things as timing, and even calibrate your electronic speedometer.
relli, here's a really good, easy to understand article from Joe Minton from American Rider magazine, explaining one of the simple "black boxes" you can buy, in this case, a Cobra.
http://www.americanrider.com/output.cfm?id=1291411
You can control idle/cruise, mid range, and wide open fuel settings, just like the old carbs where you had jets and needles that you could change. The bike's stock ECM is still used.
The more sophisticated ones give you multiple settings in each category, and may or may not replace the stock ECM, and may allow you to also control such things as timing, and even calibrate your electronic speedometer.
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Road Warrior
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RE: idiots guide to fuel managent?????????
thanks guys. im gonna run the Wild Pigs pipes (slip ons ) i think. and will need to resaerch an air filt kit (any suggestions???) . i wanna keep the OE filter housing intact if possible??
BTW im noticing all kinds of diff size baffles for the same pipes. i assume a 1.75 is louder than a 2.5 for example? bigger the baffle the quieter?? THANKS again. really appreciate all this help.
BTW im noticing all kinds of diff size baffles for the same pipes. i assume a 1.75 is louder than a 2.5 for example? bigger the baffle the quieter?? THANKS again. really appreciate all this help.
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From: SW Minnesota
RE: idiots guide to fuel managent?????????
BTW im noticing all kinds of diff size baffles for the same pipes. i assume a 1.75 is louder than a 2.5 for example? bigger the baffle the quieter?? THANKS again. really appreciate all this help.
I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong, but I think you have that backwards. The size of the baffle relates to the center opening, hence a 1.75" inch opening has more packing than one with 2.5" and is quieter.
I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong, but I think you have that backwards. The size of the baffle relates to the center opening, hence a 1.75" inch opening has more packing than one with 2.5" and is quieter.
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Road Master
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From: Arizona
RE: idiots guide to fuel managent?????????
Hhhhmmmm!! HD Dealer and one SERT.
Purchase SERT = $500
6 hours on Dyno @$85 an hour = $510.00
Total $1,010.00
Maybe easy, but certainly not one of the cheaper ways to go.
For a simple upgrade I would second the V&H Fuel Pak. About a quarter of the price.
Purchase SERT = $500
6 hours on Dyno @$85 an hour = $510.00
Total $1,010.00
Maybe easy, but certainly not one of the cheaper ways to go.
For a simple upgrade I would second the V&H Fuel Pak. About a quarter of the price.
Road Master
Joined: Jul 2007
Posts: 1,210
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From: Milwaukee, WI
RE: idiots guide to fuel managent?????????
ORIGINAL: relli
thanks guys. im gonna run the Wild Pigs pipes (slip ons ) i think. and will need to resaerch an air filt kit (any suggestions???) . i wanna keep the OE filter housing intact if possible??
BTW im noticing all kinds of diff size baffles for the same pipes. i assume a 1.75 is louder than a 2.5 for example? bigger the baffle the quieter?? THANKS again. really appreciate all this help.
thanks guys. im gonna run the Wild Pigs pipes (slip ons ) i think. and will need to resaerch an air filt kit (any suggestions???) . i wanna keep the OE filter housing intact if possible??
BTW im noticing all kinds of diff size baffles for the same pipes. i assume a 1.75 is louder than a 2.5 for example? bigger the baffle the quieter?? THANKS again. really appreciate all this help.
With the Big Sucker you can use the stock oval filter cover. Bigger the baffle diameterthe more noise. With Rush the 1.5 is the quietest and 2.5 is the loudest.
Hope this helps. I know it is confussing at times
