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From: Minnesota
Ethanol sounds good reducing oil imports but the negatives any many.
http://www.oregonlive.com/environmen...sis_quest.html
Rice University analysis questions U. S. ethanol subsidies
Federal taxpayers forked over $1.95 a gallon in ethanol subsidies in 2008 on top of the retail gasoline price, a new white paper from Rice University's Baker Institute for Public Policy found.
Study: US biofuels policies flawed
http://www.rice.edu/nationalmedia/ne...biofuels.shtml
National Academy of Sciences of the United States of America <------ These guys are no slouches!
http://www.pnas.org/content/103/30/11206.full
The University of Minnesota has also studied Ethanol you can Google it. When you are Googling it you are likely to come across sites that think it's a good idea. Those sites are put up by the guys pocketing the $1.95 a gallon of our tax money.
This is what Ethanol is doing for us;
Reduced fuel milage
Corrosive to metal and rubber parts of the fuel system
Higher grain prices filtering through our entire food system and the price of farmland itself
Tax subsidies of $1.95 per gallon
Very inefficient in that it consumes a great deal of energy to produce — almost 1 to 1. However Biodiesel from soybeans is very efficient in this regard as is Ethanol from sugar cane @ 1 to 8.
Your state may have pure gas - you can check here: http://pure-gas.org/
Here is what the pumps look like in Minnesota
Certainly modern fuel systems have been designed to resist corrosion from Ethanol since its introduction into the fuel supply. It's just that I don't want to put something into my bike or car that is a just a 'little' corrosive and is ok if I don't use it at a rate that exceeds 10%.
Energy of gasoline compared to Ethanol:
1 gallon of gasoline = 125,000 BTU
1 gallon of Ethanol = 84,400 BTU
http://www.oregonlive.com/environmen...sis_quest.html
Rice University analysis questions U. S. ethanol subsidies
Federal taxpayers forked over $1.95 a gallon in ethanol subsidies in 2008 on top of the retail gasoline price, a new white paper from Rice University's Baker Institute for Public Policy found.
Study: US biofuels policies flawed
http://www.rice.edu/nationalmedia/ne...biofuels.shtml
National Academy of Sciences of the United States of America <------ These guys are no slouches!
http://www.pnas.org/content/103/30/11206.full
The University of Minnesota has also studied Ethanol you can Google it. When you are Googling it you are likely to come across sites that think it's a good idea. Those sites are put up by the guys pocketing the $1.95 a gallon of our tax money.
This is what Ethanol is doing for us;
Reduced fuel milage
Corrosive to metal and rubber parts of the fuel system
Higher grain prices filtering through our entire food system and the price of farmland itself
Tax subsidies of $1.95 per gallon
Very inefficient in that it consumes a great deal of energy to produce — almost 1 to 1. However Biodiesel from soybeans is very efficient in this regard as is Ethanol from sugar cane @ 1 to 8.
Your state may have pure gas - you can check here: http://pure-gas.org/
Here is what the pumps look like in Minnesota
Certainly modern fuel systems have been designed to resist corrosion from Ethanol since its introduction into the fuel supply. It's just that I don't want to put something into my bike or car that is a just a 'little' corrosive and is ok if I don't use it at a rate that exceeds 10%.
Energy of gasoline compared to Ethanol:
1 gallon of gasoline = 125,000 BTU
1 gallon of Ethanol = 84,400 BTU
Last edited by Potato_Potato; May 2, 2011 at 03:28 AM.
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Ethanol sounds good reducing oil imports but the negatives any many.
http://www.oregonlive.com/environmen...sis_quest.html
Rice University analysis questions U. S. ethanol subsidies
Federal taxpayers forked over $1.95 a gallon in ethanol subsidies in 2008 on top of the retail gasoline price, a new white paper from Rice University's Baker Institute for Public Policy found.
Study: US biofuels policies flawed
http://www.rice.edu/nationalmedia/ne...biofuels.shtml
National Academy of Sciences of the United States of America <------ These guys are no slouches!
http://www.pnas.org/content/103/30/11206.full
The University of Minnesota has also studied Ethanol you can Google it. When you are Googling it you are likely to come across sites that think it's a good idea. Those sites are put up by the guys pocketing the $1.95 a gallon of our tax money.
This is what Ethanol is doing for us;
Reduced fuel milage
Corrosive to metal and rubber parts of the fuel system
Higher grain prices filtering through our entire food system and the price of farmland itself
Tax subsidies of $1.95 per gallon
Very inefficient in that it consumes a great deal of energy to produce — almost 1 to 1. However Biodiesel from soybeans, however is very efficient in this regard as is Ethanol from sugar cane @ 1 to 8.
Your state may have pure gas - you can check here: http://pure-gas.org/
Here is what the pumps look like in Minnesota
Certainly modern fuel systems have been designed to resist corrosion from Ethanol since its introduction into the fuel supply. It's just that I don't want to put something into my bike or car that is a just a 'little' corrosive and is ok if I don't use it at a rate that exceeds 10%.
Energy of gasoline compared to Ethanol:
1 gallon of gasoline = 125,000 BTU
1 gallon of Ethanol = 84,400 BTU
http://www.oregonlive.com/environmen...sis_quest.html
Rice University analysis questions U. S. ethanol subsidies
Federal taxpayers forked over $1.95 a gallon in ethanol subsidies in 2008 on top of the retail gasoline price, a new white paper from Rice University's Baker Institute for Public Policy found.
Study: US biofuels policies flawed
http://www.rice.edu/nationalmedia/ne...biofuels.shtml
National Academy of Sciences of the United States of America <------ These guys are no slouches!
http://www.pnas.org/content/103/30/11206.full
The University of Minnesota has also studied Ethanol you can Google it. When you are Googling it you are likely to come across sites that think it's a good idea. Those sites are put up by the guys pocketing the $1.95 a gallon of our tax money.
This is what Ethanol is doing for us;
Reduced fuel milage
Corrosive to metal and rubber parts of the fuel system
Higher grain prices filtering through our entire food system and the price of farmland itself
Tax subsidies of $1.95 per gallon
Very inefficient in that it consumes a great deal of energy to produce — almost 1 to 1. However Biodiesel from soybeans, however is very efficient in this regard as is Ethanol from sugar cane @ 1 to 8.
Your state may have pure gas - you can check here: http://pure-gas.org/
Here is what the pumps look like in Minnesota
Certainly modern fuel systems have been designed to resist corrosion from Ethanol since its introduction into the fuel supply. It's just that I don't want to put something into my bike or car that is a just a 'little' corrosive and is ok if I don't use it at a rate that exceeds 10%.
Energy of gasoline compared to Ethanol:
1 gallon of gasoline = 125,000 BTU
1 gallon of Ethanol = 84,400 BTU
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Joined: Sep 2005
Posts: 2,600
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From: Minnesota
Ethanol sounds good reducing oil imports but the negatives any many.
http://www.oregonlive.com/environmen...sis_quest.html
Rice University analysis questions U. S. ethanol subsidies
Federal taxpayers forked over $1.95 a gallon in ethanol subsidies in 2008 on top of the retail gasoline price, a new white paper from Rice University's Baker Institute for Public Policy found.
Study: US biofuels policies flawed
http://www.rice.edu/nationalmedia/ne...biofuels.shtml
National Academy of Sciences of the United States of America <------ These guys are no slouches!
http://www.pnas.org/content/103/30/11206.full
The University of Minnesota has also studied Ethanol you can Google it. When you are Googling it you are likely to come across sites that think it's a good idea. Those sites are put up by the guys pocketing the $1.95 a gallon of our tax money.
This is what Ethanol is doing for us;
Reduced fuel milage
Corrosive to metal and rubber parts of the fuel system
Higher grain prices filtering through our entire food system and the price of farmland itself
Tax subsidies of $1.95 per gallon
Very inefficient in that it consumes a great deal of energy to produce — almost 1 to 1. However Biodiesel from soybeans is very efficient in this regard as is Ethanol from sugar cane @ 1 to 8.
Your state may have pure gas - you can check here: http://pure-gas.org/
Here is what the pumps look like in Minnesota
Certainly modern fuel systems have been designed to resist corrosion from Ethanol since its introduction into the fuel supply. It's just that I don't want to put something into my bike or car that is a just a 'little' corrosive and is ok if I don't use it at a rate that exceeds 10%.
Energy of gasoline compared to Ethanol:
1 gallon of gasoline = 125,000 BTU
1 gallon of Ethanol = 84,400 BTU
http://www.oregonlive.com/environmen...sis_quest.html
Rice University analysis questions U. S. ethanol subsidies
Federal taxpayers forked over $1.95 a gallon in ethanol subsidies in 2008 on top of the retail gasoline price, a new white paper from Rice University's Baker Institute for Public Policy found.
Study: US biofuels policies flawed
http://www.rice.edu/nationalmedia/ne...biofuels.shtml
National Academy of Sciences of the United States of America <------ These guys are no slouches!
http://www.pnas.org/content/103/30/11206.full
The University of Minnesota has also studied Ethanol you can Google it. When you are Googling it you are likely to come across sites that think it's a good idea. Those sites are put up by the guys pocketing the $1.95 a gallon of our tax money.
This is what Ethanol is doing for us;
Reduced fuel milage
Corrosive to metal and rubber parts of the fuel system
Higher grain prices filtering through our entire food system and the price of farmland itself
Tax subsidies of $1.95 per gallon
Very inefficient in that it consumes a great deal of energy to produce — almost 1 to 1. However Biodiesel from soybeans is very efficient in this regard as is Ethanol from sugar cane @ 1 to 8.
Your state may have pure gas - you can check here: http://pure-gas.org/
Here is what the pumps look like in Minnesota
Certainly modern fuel systems have been designed to resist corrosion from Ethanol since its introduction into the fuel supply. It's just that I don't want to put something into my bike or car that is a just a 'little' corrosive and is ok if I don't use it at a rate that exceeds 10%.
Energy of gasoline compared to Ethanol:
1 gallon of gasoline = 125,000 BTU
1 gallon of Ethanol = 84,400 BTU
This is a terrific - It eliminates $6 billion in tax credits - hopefully it will at least delay if not stop us from going to E15 - too bad it took the greatest recession since the great depression to make it happen.
Senate, House vote to end some ethanol subsidies
"Faced with escalating government red ink, the Senate voted Thursday to repeal tax credits worth about $6 billion annually for producing ethanol, a liquid fuel additive that comes mostly from U.S.-grown corn."
"The Senate made clear today that corn ethanol's days at the public trough are numbered,"
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From: Wisconsin, USA
I have been using BP, which usually has ethanol free 91 octane. I see it is not TopTier. I have been hesitant to use Kwik Trip, which is Top Tier and ethanol free 91. They used to have a bad rep for dirty gas. Does anyone nkow if that was an undeserved rep?
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