Confused!
Tourer
Joined: Dec 2005
Posts: 401
Likes: 0
From:
RE: Confused!
MattinAZ,
I put the SERT, SE air cleaner (stage 1 kit), and a supertrapp 2 into 1 pipe on my 06 street glide. I had it dyno tuned by a skilled tech. I got 76 hp and 78 lb tq.
Find a dealer that has a dyno, buy the SERT, air cleaner, and pipe of your choice, and have it dyno tuned. Ride and have a great time.
My suggestion is not to skimp, bite the bullet and do it right. The SERT, Stage 1 air cleaner, and a good exhaust will all be necessary for any future mods you may want to do. My 06 runs and sounds so good it was worth every penny.
John
[IMG]local://upfiles/6262/705552FFFE544B5EA4E0388C9C89D25D.jpg[/IMG]
I put the SERT, SE air cleaner (stage 1 kit), and a supertrapp 2 into 1 pipe on my 06 street glide. I had it dyno tuned by a skilled tech. I got 76 hp and 78 lb tq.
Find a dealer that has a dyno, buy the SERT, air cleaner, and pipe of your choice, and have it dyno tuned. Ride and have a great time.
My suggestion is not to skimp, bite the bullet and do it right. The SERT, Stage 1 air cleaner, and a good exhaust will all be necessary for any future mods you may want to do. My 06 runs and sounds so good it was worth every penny.
John
[IMG]local://upfiles/6262/705552FFFE544B5EA4E0388C9C89D25D.jpg[/IMG]
Thread Starter
|
Intermediate
Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 30
Likes: 0
From: Mesa, AZ
RE: Confused!
OK bear with me guys...please. My dealer, Chesters HD in Mesa AZ has a dyno. They, however, dont recommend having the bike dyno tuned with just SE mufflers and intake. They say the basic download works just fine for what I'm doing with the bike right now. They say later on, if I add a big bore kit, cams etc, then have it dyno tuned.
I understand all this, like putting a race exhaust on my YFZ450. New pipe and muffler, rejet carb - with factory recommended settings. Change cam and valves and whatever, tune it yo'self.
I guess my question is, how many have the SERT with the dealers basic map and how happy are you with it? They said they would dyno tune it for me, about 3 hours labor - $180, but that it would not be that much better than basic map with just pipes and intake. I know the benefits to this will come later, but I dont plan on going into this motor for at least 3 years or more.
Thanks for your patience while I stumble through this.
I understand all this, like putting a race exhaust on my YFZ450. New pipe and muffler, rejet carb - with factory recommended settings. Change cam and valves and whatever, tune it yo'self.
I guess my question is, how many have the SERT with the dealers basic map and how happy are you with it? They said they would dyno tune it for me, about 3 hours labor - $180, but that it would not be that much better than basic map with just pipes and intake. I know the benefits to this will come later, but I dont plan on going into this motor for at least 3 years or more.
Thanks for your patience while I stumble through this.
RE: Confused!
My suggestion is not to skimp, bite the bullet and do it right. The SERT, Stage 1 air cleaner, and a good exhaust will all be necessary for any future mods you may want to do. My 06 runs and sounds so good it was worth every penny.
John
John
Terry
Thread Starter
|
Intermediate
Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 30
Likes: 0
From: Mesa, AZ
RE: Confused!
They are recommending the SERT but they are not recommending the Dyno tune, just a basic HD map. Is this "basic map" the same "download" that everyone says avoid? If it is then I will "bite the bullet" and get it done right with a proper dyno tune. Just confused as to the difference, if there is one, between getting the SERT and getting the "HD download".
RE: Confused!
ORIGINAL: MattinAZ
They are recommending the SERT but they are not recommending the Dyno tune, just a basic HD map. Is this "basic map" the same "download" that everyone says avoid? If it is then I will "bite the bullet" and get it done right with a proper dyno tune. Just confused as to the difference, if there is one, between getting the SERT and getting the "HD download".
They are recommending the SERT but they are not recommending the Dyno tune, just a basic HD map. Is this "basic map" the same "download" that everyone says avoid? If it is then I will "bite the bullet" and get it done right with a proper dyno tune. Just confused as to the difference, if there is one, between getting the SERT and getting the "HD download".
Terry
Outstanding HDF Member
Joined: Oct 2005
Posts: 2,981
Likes: 1
From: Los Angeles, CA (live in Manteca, CA)
RE: Confused!
Tell your dealer it's your bike and you want a dyno tune. Some of these guys just want you to come back and spend more money. My bike runs like a bat out of hell. My dealership didn't have a dyno tune so I had my bike for one day until I got it tune and you can tell the difference no back firing on decal nothing like that.
Road Captain
Joined: Sep 2005
Posts: 726
Likes: 1
From: Illinois
RE: Confused!
Ok,
This questions comes up so often. This is from my perspective. I have the SERT, SE pro performance mufflers and HD Air Kit. I had my dealer install it and my scoot runs a hell of a lot better then when it was stock. Cooler, faster and smoother. I don't know what Map my dealer used but I don't think it's the same as the Stage 1 Map. I say this only because I have heard a lot of bad things about the stage 1 remap and I have encountered none of it. Now call your dealer and Ask them what (if any) difference is there between the SERT map and the stage1. Who knows maybe they have a map they use just in that shop? Oh and an FYI the SERT comes with a map for what you're doing. SO if you just want to do it yourself I'm sure you can figure it out. But if the dealer has a map they use that's been tweaked, let them do it. I went with the SERT and have not experienced the PCIII. If I was going to do it again I would still buy the SERT. Not so much for the power increase but for the improvement to drivability. Good luck!
Almost forgot. No Dyno tune here... No popping or back fires....
This questions comes up so often. This is from my perspective. I have the SERT, SE pro performance mufflers and HD Air Kit. I had my dealer install it and my scoot runs a hell of a lot better then when it was stock. Cooler, faster and smoother. I don't know what Map my dealer used but I don't think it's the same as the Stage 1 Map. I say this only because I have heard a lot of bad things about the stage 1 remap and I have encountered none of it. Now call your dealer and Ask them what (if any) difference is there between the SERT map and the stage1. Who knows maybe they have a map they use just in that shop? Oh and an FYI the SERT comes with a map for what you're doing. SO if you just want to do it yourself I'm sure you can figure it out. But if the dealer has a map they use that's been tweaked, let them do it. I went with the SERT and have not experienced the PCIII. If I was going to do it again I would still buy the SERT. Not so much for the power increase but for the improvement to drivability. Good luck!
Almost forgot. No Dyno tune here... No popping or back fires....
Road Captain
Joined: Sep 2005
Posts: 726
Likes: 1
From: Illinois
RE: Confused!
One more thing I just checked on.
The SERT is TRACK ONLY use... (Does this mean the maps it comes with as well?)
The Stage1 is street legal in 50 states. ( this screams lean if its based model year specific)
Does this mean the two maps are different?
Maybe TCSTD knows?
The SERT is TRACK ONLY use... (Does this mean the maps it comes with as well?)
The Stage1 is street legal in 50 states. ( this screams lean if its based model year specific)
Does this mean the two maps are different?
Maybe TCSTD knows?
HD Forum Stories
The Best of Harley-Davidson for Lifelong Riders
7 Surprising Harley-Davidson Products that Are Not Motorcycles
Verdad Gallardo
8 Best Harley-Davidson Motorcycles Ever
Pouria Savadkouei
10 Worst Harley-Davidson Motorcycles Ever
Pouria Savadkouei
Killer Custom's Jail Break Is The Breakout That Refused to Blend In
Verdad Gallardo
Crazy Bunderbike Build Looks Amazing, But Is It Impossible to Ride?
Verdad Gallardo
Harley-Davidson Reveals Super Cool Cafe Racer Concept
Verdad Gallardo
Engraved Rebellion: Inside Bundnerbike's Glam Rock II
Verdad Gallardo
10 Motorcycles You Should Never Buy
Joe Kucinski
10 Things Harley-Davidson Needs to Fix in 2026
Verdad Gallardo
Road Warrior
Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 1,545
Likes: 5
From: NEW LENOX, IL
RE: Confused!
I personally would spend the $180 to have my bike dyno tuned. EVERY bike is different. There are things during manufacturing called tolerances which will make every bike different.
I'm getting ready to spend the same amount to have my bike dyno tuned in the next month or 2 when i get my items installed.
Please let us know what the dealership tells you about what map they are using and if you have it dyno tuned or use a generic map.
I'm getting ready to spend the same amount to have my bike dyno tuned in the next month or 2 when i get my items installed.
Please let us know what the dealership tells you about what map they are using and if you have it dyno tuned or use a generic map.
Road Warrior
Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 1,545
Likes: 5
From: NEW LENOX, IL
RE: Confused!
Track use only because you are modifying the stock ECM and it will not pass EPA Emissions.
All maps are different, but not because they are EPA controlled. It's on how they are made and to what you are wanting out of the bike.
Lowend? Midrange? Topend?
All maps are different, but not because they are EPA controlled. It's on how they are made and to what you are wanting out of the bike.
Lowend? Midrange? Topend?