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Old Mar 2, 2008 | 10:08 AM
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you all can't even get measlyt band of disgruntled M/C riders to band together against
the moco to get warranty problems covered under warranty.
And you are going to take on the oil companies? ha ha ha ha ha.
Start in our back yard first.
This forum and others like it is only a small percentage of the total number HD riders out there.
I only gas up at too places Sinclair stations and Cenex in town. On the road, wherever I have too.
Sinclair is one of the little guys. He (Mr Holdings) owns his own refinery's but not sure where the crude comes from.
 
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Old Mar 2, 2008 | 10:13 AM
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you all can't even get measlyt band of disgruntled M/C riders to band together against
the moco to get warranty problems covered under warranty.
And you are going to take on the oil companies? ha ha ha ha ha.
Start in our back yard first.
This forum and others like it is only a small percentage of the total number HD riders out there.
I only gas up at too places Sinclair stations and Cenex in town. On the road, wherever I have too.
Sinclair is one of the little guys. He (Mr Holdings) owns his own refinery's but not sure where the crude comes from.
Hey choochoo, you may want to edit the first couple of lines of your thread, so that a simpleton like me doesn't get stumped.

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Old Mar 2, 2008 | 10:25 AM
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I agree it would have no effect.First we ride some of the best milage getting thing out there motorcycles.And even thought in our cages we are still minute part of the money flow world wide.
As for those who wrote in about the gas companys small profit versus taxes.I agree to much tax on gas.Disagree that a company having multy billion dollar profits per quarter can't reduce their part a little.
Only one selution find honest politician(check unemployment line that where the honest ones are) and vote them onto office with no contributions from oil companys.Changing laws on contributions about as useless as gun laws are for stop crime.Ok Im going to kill you but i dont want to use a gun because they are illegal.
And for those like alcohol as fuel ok sell it for 1.320 a gallon sam as gas was at 2.40.Gas 14 parts air one part fuel.alcohol 7 parts air one part fuel ratio,take twice as much for same power.
 
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Old Mar 2, 2008 | 10:33 AM
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The only thing that is going to change gas prices is a systemic reduction of the demand. Until we technologically reduce our need for fosil fuels, the Middle East and the gas companies are going to have us by the *****.
Copper, youhit the nail on the head.

The US consumes 25% of the world production of oil and produces only 10%. World demand for oil is increasing faster than the ability to produce so the US consumer must compete with every other consuming country to fill their oil needs. Until total world demand for oil starts to decline, the cost of oil will remain strong. Boycotting a chain of gas stations would impact the price of gasoline exactly $0.

It isn't about oil companies - Out of Exxon's $40Bil, they made $8Bil in the US - the restof the world contributed the balance. Let's fantasize for a moment that everybody in the US boycotted Exxon, what would happen? Every drop of gas and oil products they produce would be sold to other oil companies for sale under their brands. Remember, the US refineries are running at full capacity so if you took all of the Exxon refineries out of service, I suspect you would see a massive gasoline shortage and prices that make $3 or $4 a gallon seem really cheap.

There is not enough potential oil inside the US to supply its needs. The size of ANWR's production would be a zit on the *** of the middle east reserves. It makes sense to exploit it, it justwon't solve the problem. And even if it could supply the entire US market, why would any company put the capital (which would be massive) into such a project and then sell the oil at a price less than the market? It wouldn't help one bit.

These "schemes" to boycott companies for a day, a week or forever have been floating around ever since Owl Gore invented the internet. They feel good because it feels like you are doing something to force those evil oil companies to cut the price of gas. But, they don't attack the problem which isn't the oil companies. It is supply and demand. The only challenge that will work would be for everybody in the US to find a way to cut their energy consumption by say, 25% or 50%. Then you would see oil prices back off. But guess what? As oil prices get higher, people already are and more will cut their gas consumption whether by riding motorcycles, scooters or driving little dinky cars. That is how supply and demand works - as demand outpaces supply, prices rise until demand starts to back off or supply increases

Remember, nobody is entitled to cheap energy.

 
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Old Mar 2, 2008 | 10:35 AM
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about editing first couple lines, other than my fingers get in the way and throw a letter in that doesn't belong , what's your point?
Also I get gas at TWO not too (oops!) places.

Tax on gas is primarily set by each state. It is primarily for the upkeep of roads and bridges etc.
that way EVERYBODY (motor vehicles) pay their own share.

As we all know OIL is getting harder to find, so prices do go up.
And yes 40b profits is a little high in my book too.
But what gets me is why utility companies continue to use natural gas, heating oil, coal, etc to
generate electricity. Most places in the U.S. they could harnes FREE wind power.
Here in Wyoming they are finally starting to do just that.
But I bet cost of Electricity won't come down either.
 
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Old Mar 2, 2008 | 10:40 AM
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The best way to reduce gas demand is to get this country ( like so many other counties in the world) to get on board with everybody riding high MPG motorcycles. We are one of the last counties to use motorcycles as our mass form of transportaion. We're still convinced that we need to be on the road by ourselves with all the other drivers that are by themselves in big SUV's and trucks. Yes I own one, an old one that gets about 10( on a good day) MPG. Thats why I ride even when its 3 degrees out when I leave for work. Even cars that are getting 20 - 25 MPG are still useing twice as much fuel as a bike.

I know it would be difficult to ride to work with a Starbucks in one hand and the cell phone in the other while riding, but, GET OVER IT. Imagine how many fewer car versus motorcycle accidents/ fatalitiesthere would be if there were morebikes than cars on the road.

Just think, if you had some old beater truck, cuz everybody needs a truck, instead of that brand new $40 -$50,000 SUV or worthless(insert any brand here) import car, how many bikes you could own. An electra Glide for commuting, stock motor stock pipes, Bluetooth in your helmet so you can still talk away, getting 50+ MPG. Then you could build one bad *** Street Glide for weekend riding, all out custom paint lots of chrome mild motor, still getting over 40 MPG, then youd still have enough left over to build one ***** to the wall bar hopper for meeting up with the buddies once a week. Still getting 30+ MPG. Average it out and your still reducing the demand by half of a high mileage car!

Just a thought, I was under the impression that we rode because we love to ride. What better way to do it than have a bike for all occasions. Loose the overpriced new car with high insurance, get more bikes!

BTW in case someone was about to ask, you can still get the kids to soccer, karate, football, basketball, or whatever else it is they are doing in that beater truck. It worked for decades before the mini van was invented!
Love your idea. I guess I could get a sidecar so that I would not go down on the snow or ice in the winter. Bring on the heated suits!
 
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Old Mar 2, 2008 | 11:46 AM
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Thanks guys for all the opinions. I DID ask for them. It's interesting to me how different we all are in the way we see things. It also tells me: that it is about impossible to change much of anything on a national level. At the time of the Boston Tea Party, everyone was on the same page. I think there was a "common mindset". What was done to one-- was done to all of us. We don't think that way any longer. Anyway, thanks for the opinions.
 
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Old Mar 2, 2008 | 12:04 PM
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At least we here on this board think! I think we all think we should ride more often!
 
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Old Mar 2, 2008 | 04:13 PM
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We should already be boycotting CITGO by now.
I do..!! I try to only use Sunoco, BP, or Hess.. (no foreign oil)
 
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Old Mar 2, 2008 | 05:44 PM
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It is amazing the way everyone complains about $3.00+ a gallon in the US. For those of you complaining, move to Europe. You will pay $5.00, $6.00and even $7.00 for a gallon of gas. I don't know what the Europeans are paying now; but, when I left the Netherlands the average price per liter for regular uleaded in both the Netherlands and Germany was 1.27 Euro. At the current exchange rate that is $7.32 a gallon. We here in the US actually have it pretty good when we compare ourselves to other industrialized nations. As long we we rely on other countries for the products we use, we have to be willing to pay their price and quit whining. The only way to control our own destiny is to become self sufficient. But, just be careful what you wish for. We all know how greedy American oil companies are. How much do you think we would pay if the only place to get oil was from U.S. oil fields owned by US oil companies. They would ration it even more so than OPEC so they could make even more record profits. Remember, more sources, even if international for a product, mean more competition and lower prices.

I'm not any happier about paying $3.80 for a gallon of gas than mos of you. Just trying to put it into perspective, it could be a lot worse, we could be living in Europe paying their gas prices.
You're absolutely right !
I live in the Netherlands and price per liter is now 1.50 euro
that is$ 8.62 a gallon [:@]
Since SHELL is a Dutch oil company, they invented ourfuel prices, but
they keep telling the consumer that our Government puts too much tax on the fuel.
Trust me, you don't need a Hummer for shopping or commuting.
I'm getting 29 MPG out of my Mazda 6 and it really is a great car.
 
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