A cast iron part is MUCH CHEAPER than a milled billet aluminum piece, that would be why the moco used it, it was cheap, and it did what they needed. Cast iron is VERY brittle, it takes very little deflection to break a cast iron piece. It has been used in the automotive and motorcycle industry for years because its cheap and easy not because its a superior metal! Dont kid yourself!

 

Don't kid yourself, thats not what the ridestr8 guy was implying. Look at it again hoss. He was implying that the part IS GOING TO FAIL.... scare tactics.

Read up onpatent law. You cannot patent the "idea", you can only patent your implementation. The part is certianly different enough from ridestr8'sto warrant TWR's own patent if they wished to even though they share the same "idea". It's called competition and it makes the world go around.

Like a monopoly? I guess you like paying 4 dollars for gas???

lp

 

Ok so welding a part can be as strong or stronger then the base material... True statement...
But also welding to a cast part is not always the best practice... So to back the claim that the weld is stronger they do perform an xray to find any voids that could possibly be within the welded area from the cast process? (this could be a weak point) Then after welding do they perform a die penetrant test to verify there are no surfacecracks? What is the minimum allowable crack if there are any?
The 6061-t6 material has a yield strength of 40ksi... yield is the amount of stress a part can take to deform and recover back to its original shape. 1018 can have a minimum of 35ksi.... The tensile strength is the amount of pressure a part can take before it shears.... the 1018 is 60 ksi and the t6 is 45 ksi..... Now if the TWR was thinner i would be a little concerned but it is not..... 45,000 pounds per square inch..... That's a crap load of force. Yeah 60,000 is more but is it needed?
Personally I would prefer using a billet piece over a weldment as a welded joint does induce stresses..... So I'm sure the Ridstr8 stress relieves there parts to reduce the induced stresses from welding? I'm sure the weldment has the same tight tolerances as a machined billet piece?
Atleast knowing the TWR is machined from billet I can only assume the tolerances are tighter then a weldment.
The biggest point in my decision was cost.... and convenience..... With todays technology I have to send a check or money order..... come on.... what a pain in the ****...
Both productsshould work as specified..... Are the products similar... sure.... But like has been said... a small change in the design is not a patent infringment... If the statement was true that cause of a US patent a product from Canada can not be sold in the US.... China would be in some serious trouble... How many products have been reversed engineered in China and then sold in the US?
Like has been said I am all for competition.....

Just my .02

 

I thought I would set back and watch this thread for a while and lo and behold I started to see the same thing as on other threads!!! IF IT AINT THE MOST EXPENSIVE IT CAN'T BE THE BEST. I watched people bad mouth Ultima even though they never tried any of their stuff. They bad mouth one brand of tire over another even though they have never used one! they bad mouth one brand of aftermarket radio/sound system over another almost always going for the expensive one. They even let their dealers sell them a SERT that the moco is getting ready to replace with a newer model, I can't wait to see the rush to get rid of the old one to get a new one. By the way the old one will be junk as you cant reprogram it to another bike unless you include the ECM. Come on guys there are lots of stuff out there that works and does not cost an arm and a leg.
Oh by the way we just purchased our first TWR and if it works we will stock some and TWR does have different model for the early versus the late model baggers. After we try it then we will make an informed decision, not an assumption.

 

My TWR will be here Friday. I have absolutely no concerns about installing it. I believe both are good products and both will do the job they are designed to do. Maybe some day Ride-Str8 will start a group buy deal on this forum and a bunch of members will buy at a reduced price and be happy they got a "deal". Right now the deal is on the TWR. To me the major difference between these 2 products is more agressive marketing for the TWR product.

 

agreed ..... I think the TWR is every bit as good a product and doesn't have to resort to knocking the compitition to sell his product, Harley is using a cast part because it is cheaper , so if the ridest8 is using harleys part and it only cost $55 then why does there product cost so much? should it not cost less than the TWR which is machined out of 6061-T6 ?

 

I usually keep out of the "this part is better than that part" debates but sometimes things simply become too entertaining where the pot calls the kettle black.

At one time, there was a "chopper company" which suffered a streak of bad luck due to welds breaking. So, are we to believe that welds are in fact stronger than a solid piece of metal? Well by golly, whaddayaknow, I don't own one of "those" bikes but it sure looks like the frame on my OEM HD frames are welded! Does this then mean that my OEM frame is going to fall apart just like the frames from "the other company"? Maybe, maybe not.

Is this a case of the fox with sour grapes? Perhaps. TWR made a very sensible move to offer a group discount to us bagger folk, something which RideStr8 did not. Why hasn't RideStr8 done the same? Would the RideStr8 crowd be in such a mood had they had a group buy that was as successful as TWR's? I doubt it.

Are both TWR and RideStr8 gouging us? Maybe, maybe not. RideSt8 has demonstrated that the HD part they use costs around $55 onto which $330 is added for welding, nuts 'n bolts and a reach around. Is TWR doing the same? Maybe, maybe not.

Who really cares! Pick one, install it and ride the shyte out of your bike rather than playing keyboard warrior!

 

Really doesn't matter to me who makes it. What I have the most trouble with is what no one is paying any attention to.
Everybody is yapping about the plate on the swingarm. But, whether this thing works or not is totally dependent on 3 1/4 inch bolts that are secured by being threaded into a cast housing.
I dislike anything that is installed directly (as an add-on) between the frame and the engine, without any dampening devices in between.
I am wondering about what type of side thrust, (shearing force) is being applied to the 3, 1/4" bolts in the transmission. And, how much vibration is being transferred to these bolts and their threads in the transmission case.
This may or may not be a problem, and quite possibly might have already been addressedby someone with more knowledge than me.
I am just leary of attaching anything to case bolts, which in turn could be stripped or broken and necessitate major repairs to those cases.

 

In the sales world it does not matter how much something cost to produce it's more about what the market will bear or simply what the consumer base will pay. From what I'm seeing none of the mfr's are having a problem selling this product in the $350 range.

That's our fault.

Just like paying 40K for a Harley when it does not cost anywhere near that to produce one.

 

This whole thread crack me up, some here act like aluminum is some new fangled product and cant be as good as a hunk of cast steel, you need to joing the 21 century, I know Harley is still stuck in 1970, but most othere MFGRs haved moved on to superior technology, that bolt will fail LONG before the billet bracket ever will. your all looking for a solution when there is no problem.

Mike