Injectors through warrenty, am I being knit pickie??
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RE: Injectors through warrenty, am I being knit pickie??
ORIGINAL: Rhubarb
How do you know the 25*'s wont introduce a whole new set of problems? Limited production most likely, since its not a mod you hear about too often, so there could be yet unforseen problems.
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RE: Injectors through warrenty, am I being knit pickie??
ORIGINAL: bluesgub
Seems like there will be a recall due to the number of people complaining about the same symptom under varying conditions and HD knows how to correct the problem. Mine overheated at 60F and stalled someone else had the problem at 50F. Let alone those who have the heat management system kick in when the air temperature is hot. I just received a call from my salesman saying he was handed the HD bulletin and was going to talk to the Service Manager. I don't want my bike to break down because the HD doesn't want to make in house modifications to meet EPA standards prior to releasing the bike. If I want loud pipes and more hp that should be up to me not a forced issue.
Seems like there will be a recall due to the number of people complaining about the same symptom under varying conditions and HD knows how to correct the problem. Mine overheated at 60F and stalled someone else had the problem at 50F. Let alone those who have the heat management system kick in when the air temperature is hot. I just received a call from my salesman saying he was handed the HD bulletin and was going to talk to the Service Manager. I don't want my bike to break down because the HD doesn't want to make in house modifications to meet EPA standards prior to releasing the bike. If I want loud pipes and more hp that should be up to me not a forced issue.
Regarding the Heat management: The MOCO has a download coming out, end of March to fix this problem.
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RE: Injectors through warrenty, am I being knit pickie??
Thanks for the input, Streetrunner. Since I got info from my sales guy and have talked to him a lot I think I am going to wait and trust the dealer to keep me up on things. Still should stay cool in Central California so I won't worry too much about the heat management system. Doesn't make a whole lot of sense to drop the rpm's to the point of stalling when I'm going to roll the throttle to increase it?
Interesting topic.
Interesting topic.
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RE: Injectors through warrenty, am I being knit pickie??
My bike is an 05, I asked my dealer about upgrading to these injectors stating I would pay for them it it improved performance. He told me to save my money since my bike has a S.E.Race Tuner, he said he can dial in the injectors to flow as much as my bike needs. He also stated that the larger injectors could conceivably cause a loss of lower speed torque since they are flowing a larger volume of fuel throughout the RPM range. [Kinda like using a fire hose to drink your Coke instead of straw, will work but not needed]It makes sense to me because several years ago on my 5.0 Mustang I put in H.O. 5.8 injectors only to have it hurt performance.
I guess my point is, if you are not having problem leave it alone.[sm=smiley23.gif]
I guess my point is, if you are not having problem leave it alone.[sm=smiley23.gif]
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RE: Injectors through warrenty, am I being knit pickie??
If there is any kind of repair out there, it doesn't mean that your bike would need it. The internet supplies lots of information, but most want to read into whats there. I hear them coming into the dealer (Volvo Dealer) all the time asking for some part to be put on their car. When Volvo, or Harley Davidson is paying for the parts, they get to decide when the part will be put on the car/bike. That doesn't sound nice but if the dealer puts a part on the vechicle and the manufacture calls for the part and there is nothing wrong with it, then the dealer eats the cost of the part. If they replace good parts too often, they get put on the watch list and may need to get permission to do many things that are normal everyday items when repairing motor vechicles. (this can be a real pain)
My advice would be to get your bike and ride it, if problems happen then take it back, if nothing happens you can respond to a thread just like this one that will show up in a few months.
My advice would be to get your bike and ride it, if problems happen then take it back, if nothing happens you can respond to a thread just like this one that will show up in a few months.
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RE: Injectors through warrenty, am I being knit pickie??
ORIGINAL: bay13
If there is any kind of repair out there, it doesn't mean that your bike would need it. The internet supplies lots of information, but most want to read into whats there. I hear them coming into the dealer (Volvo Dealer) all the time asking for some part to be put on their car. When Volvo, or Harley Davidson is paying for the parts, they get to decide when the part will be put on the car/bike. That doesn't sound nice but if the dealer puts a part on the vechicle and the manufacture calls for the part and there is nothing wrong with it, then the dealer eats the cost of the part. If they replace good parts too often, they get put on the watch list and may need to get permission to do many things that are normal everyday items when repairing motor vechicles. (this can be a real pain)
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If there is any kind of repair out there, it doesn't mean that your bike would need it. The internet supplies lots of information, but most want to read into whats there. I hear them coming into the dealer (Volvo Dealer) all the time asking for some part to be put on their car. When Volvo, or Harley Davidson is paying for the parts, they get to decide when the part will be put on the car/bike. That doesn't sound nice but if the dealer puts a part on the vechicle and the manufacture calls for the part and there is nothing wrong with it, then the dealer eats the cost of the part. If they replace good parts too often, they get put on the watch list and may need to get permission to do many things that are normal everyday items when repairing motor vechicles. (this can be a real pain)
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I understand your point but this is not the case in this instance. These injectors are not defective. they just don't perform as well as the CVO injectors on the '06 touring bikes due to the lean runnining conditions mandated by the EPA.
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RE: Injectors through warrenty, am I being knit pickie??
ORIGINAL: bay13
If there is any kind of repair out there, it doesn't mean that your bike would need it. The internet supplies lots of information, but most want to read into whats there. I hear them coming into the dealer (Volvo Dealer) all the time asking for some part to be put on their car. When Volvo, or Harley Davidson is paying for the parts, they get to decide when the part will be put on the car/bike. That doesn't sound nice but if the dealer puts a part on the vechicle and the manufacture calls for the part and there is nothing wrong with it, then the dealer eats the cost of the part. If they replace good parts too often, they get put on the watch list and may need to get permission to do many things that are normal everyday items when repairing motor vechicles. (this can be a real pain)
My advice would be to get your bike and ride it, if problems happen then take it back, if nothing happens you can respond to a thread just like this one that will show up in a few months.
If there is any kind of repair out there, it doesn't mean that your bike would need it. The internet supplies lots of information, but most want to read into whats there. I hear them coming into the dealer (Volvo Dealer) all the time asking for some part to be put on their car. When Volvo, or Harley Davidson is paying for the parts, they get to decide when the part will be put on the car/bike. That doesn't sound nice but if the dealer puts a part on the vechicle and the manufacture calls for the part and there is nothing wrong with it, then the dealer eats the cost of the part. If they replace good parts too often, they get put on the watch list and may need to get permission to do many things that are normal everyday items when repairing motor vechicles. (this can be a real pain)
My advice would be to get your bike and ride it, if problems happen then take it back, if nothing happens you can respond to a thread just like this one that will show up in a few months.
Are the 25 degree injectors just a bandage and not a permanent fix? Maybe. There may be several factors that we as the consumer are not privy to. There is yet another HD download that goes with the new injectors. Without knowing what it consists of I can only speculate that the download will compensate for the increase in fuel flow. And go for a better atomization of the fuel with a better fuel / air mix.
Or it just could be the old Boy Scout principle. If a little bit of gas will get your fire started, then a gallon will be better.
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