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Old May 21, 2008 | 07:36 AM
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Very well stated tony, the break even point in my dealer is $800k dollars monthly anything over that is net profit. In my dealer customer satisfaction is #1, every single one of my employees has the authority to spend up to $200.00 to make a customer happy no questions asked. I mean any employee from a porter to a salesperson. We offer a great customer service, we charge fair prices and we make sure that our technicians do everything they are supposed to do in a vehicle and then some, it is part of the condition of employment. My top managers make well over 150k a year they get paid very wellbut I expect perfection with a zero tolerance for stupidity. Anyone can make a mistake but it has to be corrected and take action so it will not happen again.
We are in business to make a profit and we are entitle to do so, either my employees take care of my customers or someone else will. There are customers that are just not ever satisfied we try hard and when we have to we will say "NO" and it is ok to say no it is just how you say it.
If I go into a place of businnes and I am not taken cared of correctly I will make sure that I address the proper person and I will make sure that everyone of my colleagues or friends know about it,,, word of mouth still the best advertising!!!!!!
 
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Old May 21, 2008 | 08:07 AM
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Very well stated tony, the break even point in my dealer is $800k dollars monthly anything over that is net profit. In my dealer customer satisfaction is #1, every single one of my employees has the authority to spend up to $200.00 to make a customer happy no questions asked. I mean any employee from a porter to a salesperson. We offer a great customer service, we charge fair prices and we make sure that our technicians do everything they are supposed to do in a vehicle and then some, it is part of the condition of employment. My top managers make well over 150k a year they get paid very wellbut I expect perfection with a zero tolerance for stupidity. Anyone can make a mistake but it has to be corrected and take action so it will not happen again.
We are in business to make a profit and we are entitle to do so, either my employees take care of my customers or someone else will. There are customers that are just not ever satisfied we try hard and when we have to we will say "NO" and it is ok to say no it is just how you say it.
If I go into a place of businnes and I am not taken cared of correctly I will make sure that I address the proper person and I will make sure that everyone of my colleagues or friends know about it,,, word of mouth still the best advertising!!!!!!
Nicely put. I've worked parts counters on and off over many years. I've done it when I needed work and I've done it part time to finance special projects (bike rebuilds, Alaska trip, etc.). I've worked for dealers I would allow to work on my machines, I've worked for others that I told my persoanl friends to stay away from even though I worked there. All dealerships are managed by humans and these humans make the decisions. We all know how that can play out. So far, I've had great luck with the dealership I bought my new bike from(I moved recently, so new dealer to me). They've gone the "extra mile", at least for me. However, the last dealer I worked for had little problems in the service area, like sending out bikes with the wrong seat after service, not putting oil back in after it's drained. All bad stuff that makes people think that's just the HD way. All that said, in these times and economy, it's tough for me to pay full price on accessories at my dealer when I can get 20% on line. I want to support my local dealer, but in return for all my business, I expect them to support me. They need to offer me more than just the standard things I can get at any dealership if they want any type of loyalty.
 
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Old May 21, 2008 | 08:11 AM
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Very well stated tony, the break even point in my dealer is $800k dollars monthly anything over that is net profit. In my dealer customer satisfaction is #1, every single one of my employees has the authority to spend up to $200.00 to make a customer happy no questions asked. I mean any employee from a porter to a salesperson. We offer a great customer service, we charge fair prices and we make sure that our technicians do everything they are supposed to do in a vehicle and then some, it is part of the condition of employment. My top managers make well over 150k a year they get paid very wellbut I expect perfection with a zero tolerance for stupidity. Anyone can make a mistake but it has to be corrected and take action so it will not happen again.
We are in business to make a profit and we are entitle to do so, either my employees take care of my customers or someone else will. There are customers that are just not ever satisfied we try hard and when we have to we will say "NO" and it is ok to say no it is just how you say it.
If I go into a place of businnes and I am not taken cared of correctly I will make sure that I address the proper person and I will make sure that everyone of my colleagues or friends know about it,,, word of mouth still the best advertising!!!!!!
This is very rare wih HD dealers and if this is true then it is no wonder that you have a good business this is how it should be. I boughta 07 vrod nightrod special in june of 07 on the way home the rubber piece in the foot peg feel out so I called and told them and they said no problem we can just put it in under warranty at the first service I said ok. well my first service was supposed to be free so I go in for the first service and the owner is there they did the service and he said 328.00! I said the first service was supposed to be free and the rubber piece was supposed to be a warranty issue. I said it fell out on the way home the day I took delivery. He said nope it's not covered and I dont give anything free. I said that was part of the deal. He said you have proof? I said it's in my paper work he said do you have it with you? I said no it's at home. He said too bad! I said look in the folder it's right there so after about an hour he finally gave it to me. Then he wouldnt give me the rubber piece under warranty so I had to pay for it. So I came home and called HD customer service and they said that it should be covered but they take the dealers word as a warranty rep in deciding what is covered and what isn't. So the woman said too bad. My point being I have never stepped foot in this dealer again and I have probably spent 5000.00 on clothes and accesories and bought an 08 Street Glide at another dealer since then this is what makes peole call dealers stealers. I dont look for anything more than I deserve and I'm my case this stuff was part of the original deal or should've been covered under warranty like they said it should. Some people should just never deal with the public.
 
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Old May 21, 2008 | 08:17 AM
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Wish Big AL was closer to me, I don't mind paying for decent service, but when you are left with the imperession the "dealer" could give a crap about what they actually do, well then.....
 
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Old May 21, 2008 | 08:24 AM
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There is nothing wrong with charging a high price for a preium product. Benz, BMW do it all the time. However the term stealership has been earned over the years for some dealer being underhanded. Lieing or bending the truth to make sales to mislead people. I once heard a HD saleman telling a custom that new Softails are very rare and he would chargehim over msrp for it. We all know, harleys are a dime a dozen now. It is not just Harley dealers, car dealers and the worst Used car dealers all seem to have earned a bad rap over the years. In some cases in is very just, in others it is not deservered.
 
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Old May 21, 2008 | 08:30 AM
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ORIGINAL: big_al

Very well stated tony, the break even point in my dealer is $800k dollars monthly anything over that is net profit. In my dealer customer satisfaction is #1, every single one of my employees has the authority to spend up to $200.00 to make a customer happy no questions asked. I mean any employee from a porter to a salesperson. We offer a great customer service, we charge fair prices and we make sure that our technicians do everything they are supposed to do in a vehicle and then some, it is part of the condition of employment. My top managers make well over 150k a year they get paid very wellbut I expect perfection with a zero tolerance for stupidity. Anyone can make a mistake but it has to be corrected and take action so it will not happen again.
We are in business to make a profit and we are entitle to do so, either my employees take care of my customers or someone else will. There are customers that are just not ever satisfied we try hard and when we have to we will say "NO" and it is ok to say no it is just how you say it.
If I go into a place of businnes and I am not taken cared of correctly I will make sure that I address the proper person and I will make sure that everyone of my colleagues or friends know about it,,, word of mouth still the best advertising!!!!!!

Dang dude,which dealership is this,sounds like you run a tight ship !!!
 
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Old May 21, 2008 | 08:40 AM
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There is nothing wrong with charging a high price for a preium product. Benz, BMW do it all the time. However the term stealership has been earned over the years for some dealer being underhanded. Lieing or bending the truth to make sales to mislead people. I once heard a HD saleman telling a custom that new Softails are very rare and he would chargehim over msrp for it. We all know, harleys are a dime a dozen now. It is not just Harley dealers, car dealers and the worst Used car dealers all seem to have earned a bad rap over the years. In some cases in is very just, in others it is not deservered.
+1 One dealer I worked for hated it when I told someone they didn't need something for their ride. Ya know, new guys read stuff and don't undersatnd the big picture, so they run out and buy the biggest, baddest carb they can find because they heard it's the best performance carb on the market. Well, it is, but you need a big displacement engine, cams, exhaust, air flow, you know ....... I'd get beat up because I talked the guy out of the carb, explaining to him why. The guy who ran the dealership said, "Sell 'em what they want, once they put it on, then we can sell them everything else to get them what they really want". Me, I believe in gaining their trust and developing their loyalty so they can come in and say, "What should I do?" and they believe and trust in what I tell them. Happy customers taht trust their dealers are where the real money is.
 
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Old May 21, 2008 | 08:44 AM
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ORIGINAL: vindyl

I agree in most ways. Everytime I needed a part thay have it. Try that with honda or others. The dealers I deal with have very knowlageable staff. Always happy to help or just answer my quiestions. In the past month I have had lots of work done and added lots of things on the bike and have been very happy with there help in getting my parts had to order nothing had it all.
I wish I was near your dealer. Not one time has the dealer near me had my parts in stock, always have to wait 7-10 days. And it's always MSRP on ordered parts. So, if I can't get the part to do the job NOW. Why should I support them, might as well order it from one of the HD dealers that offer a discount and have it in 3-4 days. And I tell my local dealer what I do and that he's loosing business and he keeps telling me the dealer that's discounting is not aloud to do that, it's against HD policy to discount.
So really my only beef is "I Want It Now"
 
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Old May 21, 2008 | 08:56 AM
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I'll accept that the dealerships are there to make a profit, just like any other business. I just had a post the other day about going to my local dealer for something (ext. warranty) and he wanted to charge $700 more and coverage for a year less than another dealer. 2100/4 vs. 1400/5. Just out of line. I have had work done, and because they are the closest, it is where I have ended up for warranty work. One recent example.. needed a new motor mount. Called ahead to make sure they had the part. Told me to come in the next morning and I would be out in an hour. After 4 hours they said they just got the part in and would start working on the bike. another two hours go by before it gets done. They have dealerships all over the place, and when I needed a light bulb for a tourpak, they said they had to order it and it would be a few days. Come on. Make your money, but treat people like you would want to be treated, not like crap because you are the big H.D. dealer in town.
 
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Old May 21, 2008 | 08:57 AM
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I just got my 08 Ultra out of the shop yesterday afternoon....had the 2500 service done and had them install the tourpak spoiler...decided I was too chicken to do the drilling myself. Yesterday morning while at work the service writer called me to make sure I wanted him to continue....I have the premium tourpak luggage rack on and it causes the spoiler to be positioned just slightly further back, which results in it sticking out just a little from the end of the tourpak lid....I already knew this would be the case, so gave them the ok. Picked up the bike and the service writer and one of the techs commented how good the spoiler looks....I agreed. The bike was clean and shinny (not that it wasn't when I took it in), but the fact that it came back to me in as good shape as when it went in impresses me every time because I'm not used to that....years ago I used to ride a Yamaha Royal Star....I hated taking it into the shop because it always came back to me so dirty and greasy.

Another point here....this dealership is one of the ones the ChooChoo has repeatedly had issues with....so could it be that their additude only reflexs yours? I chose to develop a friendly relationship with everyone at my dealership and they have never done wrong by me. Have they ever screwed something up? Yes they have, but in that rare event they always made it right as quick as possible and to my total satisfaction. I know there are some bad dealerships out there, but I believe there are a whole lot more "bad *** butt-hole" owners who don't give the dealership a chance befiore reaming them up one side and down the other in front of other customers.

My point is that a "bad" dealership in one person's eyes might be a good one to someone else.
 
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