Another question for wrenches
FYI
OK, found it. Here is a post from "Steve Cole":
The SERT was and always has been a product of TTS. Just look under "help" and "about" in every copy of the software ever sold. We manufactured both the hardware and software. HD has never owned it. Up until last year there were agreements in place that no longer apply so we are taking the product to the public and it will be marketed as a TTS product once again. If you do some searching you would find we've been manufacture tuning and logging software since the late 80's early 90's. The product will revert back to the original names of Mastertune and DataMaster. Ever wonder why the file ext's were .MTx and DMx? Now you know why. The current product (SERT) can be run with both applications on the screen at once and you can simply "click" from one window to the other as this is a standard feature in windows. We have no involvement in the new tuner that HD will be selling. The maps on our site are a free service that we provide for anyone to download and use. It's a clearing house of maps for our products but it's up to you the public how good it becomes. As stated before I cannot get into everything that will be coming in our first public release but rest assured there are many improvements with many more to follow in future releases. Everything we've wanted to do for over 2 years is in the works but it will not all come out in the first release as it would take to long to complete it all. Any purchaser of our new TTS product will be able to update to the latest software free of charge. This is something we've wanted since we first started selling through HD back in 2002 but again they refused to move forward with much of anything other than to add the next model year for coverage to the product.
Their website hasn't been updated yet, but here it is:
http://www.mastertune.net/files/calibrations.asp
OK, found it. Here is a post from "Steve Cole":
The SERT was and always has been a product of TTS. Just look under "help" and "about" in every copy of the software ever sold. We manufactured both the hardware and software. HD has never owned it. Up until last year there were agreements in place that no longer apply so we are taking the product to the public and it will be marketed as a TTS product once again. If you do some searching you would find we've been manufacture tuning and logging software since the late 80's early 90's. The product will revert back to the original names of Mastertune and DataMaster. Ever wonder why the file ext's were .MTx and DMx? Now you know why. The current product (SERT) can be run with both applications on the screen at once and you can simply "click" from one window to the other as this is a standard feature in windows. We have no involvement in the new tuner that HD will be selling. The maps on our site are a free service that we provide for anyone to download and use. It's a clearing house of maps for our products but it's up to you the public how good it becomes. As stated before I cannot get into everything that will be coming in our first public release but rest assured there are many improvements with many more to follow in future releases. Everything we've wanted to do for over 2 years is in the works but it will not all come out in the first release as it would take to long to complete it all. Any purchaser of our new TTS product will be able to update to the latest software free of charge. This is something we've wanted since we first started selling through HD back in 2002 but again they refused to move forward with much of anything other than to add the next model year for coverage to the product.
Their website hasn't been updated yet, but here it is:
http://www.mastertune.net/files/calibrations.asp
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Are you using p/n 32109-08 as the new tuner?
Wow that TTS product sounds awesome. I will keep in touch with them
Wow that TTS product sounds awesome. I will keep in touch with them
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I don't know why the marrying part is such a strange concept. Most auto ECU tuners do the same exact thing, they marry to the ECU so that they cannot be used on another vehicle. Why? So that the companies that make them can make money! Otherwise a tuner shop would buy one and use it on all vehicles.
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Yes, I beleive that is the one I am using.
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ECU mapping for a car or truck has much less to do with exhaust changes or other modifications (although it will greatly improve a car in those areas as well). Of instance, reprogramming the ECO on a Ford diesel truck has seen MPG increases of up to 50% with no other changes. Have to remember EPA regulations have been imposed on autos for a pretty long time. ECU reprogramming my GMC Yukon increased both MPG and horsepower, enough to cover the cost of the chipping within the first year.
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When you first had your bike tuned with the SERT was it dyno tuned, or did they just load a map? If they just loaded one of the canned maps and didn't tweak it on the Dyno that might be why you didn't notice any improvement. My shop did the stage-1 with the SERT, Vance and Hines slip-ons and SE A/C at my 1k service and then fine tuned it on the dyno. The printed a dyno run before they started the stage-1 upgrade, with the bike stock, then printed another from their last tuning run on the dyno. Mine showed about a 16% increase in both hp and tq, which was enough to be very noticeable. You should be able to get the same results with the PCIII, just too bad you had to spend the extra money.
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Yep, my dealer wants to sell me one for $550.00 and do a quick download. Said it takes 15 minutes and Im off.
Not sure.
I think I will wait for TTS or something.
Not sure.
I think I will wait for TTS or something.
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Don't do it. Trust me on this one. It doesn't matter what anyone else says. I'm no expert but, why pay $550.00 when you get "almost" the same thing with a PCIII for half the money. Also, there are other fuel management systems out there that are just as good for half the money. Some of them can be moved to your next bike. I don't know if they all can but, the SERT can not be moved period. Also, I'm not sure buy, I believe there are quite a bit more dyno's out that can do other fuel management systems, than there are that can do SERT's
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I am confused. Why would you go to the expense of buying and installing a SERT, not have it Dyno Tuned and then buy and install a PCIII and have it Dyno Tuned? From what I have read, most of the better tuners prefer to tune with a SERT as it gives them more flexibility.
Also, did you change the air intake with a Stage 1 or some other high flow air cleaner? Again, my understanding is that you need to increase air volume with pipes and air cleaner to get the most from the Dyno Tune.
Also, did you change the air intake with a Stage 1 or some other high flow air cleaner? Again, my understanding is that you need to increase air volume with pipes and air cleaner to get the most from the Dyno Tune.
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Don't do it. Trust me on this one. It doesn't matter what anyone else says. I'm no expert but, why pay $550.00 when you get "almost" the same thing with a PCIII for half the money. Also, there are other fuel management systems out there that are just as good for half the money. Some of them can be moved to your next bike. I don't know if they all can but, the SERT can not be moved period. Also, I'm not sure buy, I believe there are quite a bit more dyno's out that can do other fuel management systems, than there are that can do SERT's