Jackpot Package - Too Loud?
Road Warrior
Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 1,955
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From: The Great Northwest
I've been folowing this thread closely and I really like what I'm hearing so far. I just got the tracking info from FM this afternoon and the DT Jackpots, PCV and AC will arrive on Monday. Guess I'll be taking Tuesday off. Then I'll be able to add my .02 to these already great responses.
In the meanwhile, the Soos extentions arrived today and the Wheeldock CS gets here tomorrow. That cold-*** garage floor never felt so good!!
In the meanwhile, the Soos extentions arrived today and the Wheeldock CS gets here tomorrow. That cold-*** garage floor never felt so good!!
Road Warrior
Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 1,955
Likes: 7
From: The Great Northwest
By Far the Best Bang for the Buck. The Bike sounds the way I wanted it, Made it deeper and just a the right volume to be comfortable for cruising all day long.
The performance gain is great. Here is the Dyno of my 07 the top numbers are after I had the package tweaked on a Dyno.
The Numbers are hard to Read in the Scan: 77 HP 91.6 TQ
The performance gain is great. Here is the Dyno of my 07 the top numbers are after I had the package tweaked on a Dyno.
The Numbers are hard to Read in the Scan: 77 HP 91.6 TQ
5th Gear
Joined: Aug 2008
Posts: 9
Likes: 0
From: Duvall, WA
I have the same setup and like it. Hard to tell power increase, but sure feels good. Got it right after I bought my '08 RKC so not sure how much power difference there is but it felt crisper.
Sounds is great. Very bassy rumble at idle, nice bark on throttle. But not super loud.
Only problem I have with the setup is lots of decel pop. I've tweaked the fuel map at idle up and down after many conversations with Fuel Moto, have pulled off the mufflers and reinstalled them with gasket sealer to make sure nothing leaks, but no dice. So...yeah, they pop on decel. Gotten used to it by now though.
Sounds is great. Very bassy rumble at idle, nice bark on throttle. But not super loud.
Only problem I have with the setup is lots of decel pop. I've tweaked the fuel map at idle up and down after many conversations with Fuel Moto, have pulled off the mufflers and reinstalled them with gasket sealer to make sure nothing leaks, but no dice. So...yeah, they pop on decel. Gotten used to it by now though.
Cruiser
Joined: Sep 2008
Posts: 206
Likes: 0
From: Southern California
I've had the system on for about six weeks now and like it very much. The sound is perfect for me and the wife. The power, though it won't rip the bars from your hands, is noticeable. Especially two up. The roll on power is where I feel the gains most. It doesn't seem a lot cooler to me but the pinging has gone away when she gets a little warm in traffic at low rpms. I got a good ride in one day, 230 miles, a couple weeks ago and averaged 43mpg. I can live with that just fine. I'd do it again in a heartbeat.
Road Warrior
Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 1,955
Likes: 7
From: The Great Northwest
Only problem I have with the setup is lots of decel pop. I've tweaked the fuel map at idle up and down after many conversations with Fuel Moto, have pulled off the mufflers and reinstalled them with gasket sealer to make sure nothing leaks, but no dice. So...yeah, they pop on decel. Gotten used to it by now though.
I had a very similar decel popping issue with the Rineharts on my 08. I finally talked to a guy at Dynojet and he sent me a PDF with a solution that worked for me. I can't seem to figure out how to post the PDF file, but here are the basics that I am able to copy and paste. It was the No. 3 solution that ended up working for me with a +10 setting in the zero % columns of both fuel tables. I lost a couple of MPG, but it was well worth it and might be worth a try for you.
Good luck.
DECELL POPPING
Decell popping is caused by the detonation of unburnt fuel in the exhaust pipe. This happens with high flow exhausts that allow more fresh air to be pulled into the pipe, causing the exhaust temperature to rise and detonate the fuel. Ways to reduce and possibly eliminate this popping are:
1. Block off fresh air injection systems. This will reduce the air being fed into thepipe, causing the higher temperature.
2. Adjust the fuel table to remove fuel during decell. Highlight from 2000rpm to redline in the zero percent column. Insert a 40 to 50 into the cells. Rev the bike and see if the popping has reduced or stopped.
3. If it is still popping try a +10 to +15 instead of the negative numbers. The added fuel will cool the exhaust so it wont pop. But to much added will have a noticeable effect to the fuel mileage.
4. Do not do any changes at 1500rpm; this may effect how the bike idles.
5. Sometimes going to the ignition table and advancing the timing 3 to 5 degrees can help too.
1. Block off fresh air injection systems. This will reduce the air being fed into thepipe, causing the higher temperature.
2. Adjust the fuel table to remove fuel during decell. Highlight from 2000rpm to redline in the zero percent column. Insert a 40 to 50 into the cells. Rev the bike and see if the popping has reduced or stopped.
3. If it is still popping try a +10 to +15 instead of the negative numbers. The added fuel will cool the exhaust so it wont pop. But to much added will have a noticeable effect to the fuel mileage.
4. Do not do any changes at 1500rpm; this may effect how the bike idles.
5. Sometimes going to the ignition table and advancing the timing 3 to 5 degrees can help too.
Outstanding HDF Member
Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 2,246
Likes: 19
From: Cypress, TX
My last bike had drag pipes with no baffles but I I want to hear the radio on this bike and after a 500-700 mile day I don't want my ears ringing. The jackpots are pretty quiet until you get on it. They have a nice deep rumble. The performance gain with the power package is noticable. Your milage will go down. Mine is directly related to my wrist. I'm happy and that is all that counts.
5th Gear
Joined: Aug 2008
Posts: 9
Likes: 0
From: Duvall, WA
Hey Andy,
I had a very similar decel popping issue with the Rineharts on my 08. I finally talked to a guy at Dynojet and he sent me a PDF with a solution that worked for me. I can't seem to figure out how to post the PDF file, but here are the basics that I am able to copy and paste. It was the No. 3 solution that ended up working for me with a +10 setting in the zero % columns of both fuel tables. I lost a couple of MPG, but it was well worth it and might be worth a try for you.
Good luck.
I had a very similar decel popping issue with the Rineharts on my 08. I finally talked to a guy at Dynojet and he sent me a PDF with a solution that worked for me. I can't seem to figure out how to post the PDF file, but here are the basics that I am able to copy and paste. It was the No. 3 solution that ended up working for me with a +10 setting in the zero % columns of both fuel tables. I lost a couple of MPG, but it was well worth it and might be worth a try for you.
Good luck.
DECELL POPPING
Decell popping is caused by the detonation of unburnt fuel in the exhaust pipe. This happens with high flow exhausts that allow more fresh air to be pulled into the pipe, causing the exhaust temperature to rise and detonate the fuel. Ways to reduce and possibly eliminate this popping are:
1. Block off fresh air injection systems. This will reduce the air being fed into thepipe, causing the higher temperature.
2. Adjust the fuel table to remove fuel during decell. Highlight from 2000rpm to redline in the zero percent column. Insert a 40 to 50 into the cells. Rev the bike and see if the popping has reduced or stopped.
3. If it is still popping try a +10 to +15 instead of the negative numbers. The added fuel will cool the exhaust so it wont pop. But to much added will have a noticeable effect to the fuel mileage.
4. Do not do any changes at 1500rpm; this may effect how the bike idles.
5. Sometimes going to the ignition table and advancing the timing 3 to 5 degrees can help too.
1. Block off fresh air injection systems. This will reduce the air being fed into thepipe, causing the higher temperature.
2. Adjust the fuel table to remove fuel during decell. Highlight from 2000rpm to redline in the zero percent column. Insert a 40 to 50 into the cells. Rev the bike and see if the popping has reduced or stopped.
3. If it is still popping try a +10 to +15 instead of the negative numbers. The added fuel will cool the exhaust so it wont pop. But to much added will have a noticeable effect to the fuel mileage.
4. Do not do any changes at 1500rpm; this may effect how the bike idles.
5. Sometimes going to the ignition table and advancing the timing 3 to 5 degrees can help too.
Thanks for the suggestions Clint. I actually worked my way down to -20 in the idle column, but it seemed to make things worse. Actually had blue flames popping out when I stepped on it. Ended up working my way up to +15 across the board in the 0% throttle column. It helped, but on a warm day (60 degrees plus here in WA) it still gets a good amount of popping on decel after the bike's warmed up. Tried a good range of added and subtracted fuel in the 0% column with little luck. Wondering if the only solution now is a dyno run, but trying to save some cash at the moment so. *shrug*
Thanks for the suggestion though!
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